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On one hand, Russia's reaction to it shows how ridiculously desperate Russia has become. What started as a plan to conquer Ukraine in 2 weeks, is now a celebration of the capture of a small area of ruins that proves the might of the unstoppable Russian army.
Have you seen that "plan"? I haven't been able to see it published anywhere, maybe you mean the goal of achieving a change of regime to a friendlier one... or even a puppet state? "Conquer", is a big word.
I don't read many Russian newspapers (none, actually), how are they celebrating what exactly?

As of now, 06:30 GMT, Soledar is still disputed.
Ukraine may still launch a counterattack, even if I keep reading that there is an Ukrainian "offensive" still going on.
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Poland will send Leopard 2 tanks it seems.
So give Ukraine 300 Leopard 2 tanks, as requested. Will the Russian soldiers have any fighting will left?
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Do you believe everything that (in Australia) Russian newspapers publish?
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This war is such an ecological disaster. Both powers in this war being Russia and NATO are depleting their military stocks by getting more and more bogged down in the fighting. 300 tanks from Poland here, several hundred from America and the UK there, countless old soviet warehouses worth and hoards upon hoards of small arms, missiles and munitions from both sides.

Not only are these weapons actively being depleted through the industrial murder of our fellow people of this Earth, they are also destroying the biodiversity and ecological integrity of Ukraine. Most damning of all, their destruction, a capital destruction, opens the door for greater military spending and thus wasted material resources on arms that should be spent on infrastructure for the betterment of everyone.

It's a disgrace that no real anti-war movement has developed across national lines in the west. During the Great War working people from either side of the trenches striked and fought their respective governments. In the trenches there were many cases of them refusing to fight one another, or even crossing the line and sharing camaraderie.

A real anti-war movement is not supporting the narratives put out by our respective governments and their media arms. It is not demanding that Russia or NATO solely back down and that some "victor" is permitted to then occupy the ashen land left behind. A real anti-war movement is a militant strike and movement of civil resistance against our respective governments and a demand that both powers step down and disarm. It is a demand for the end of the war in all its forms and a declaration of abolition towards all its perpetrators universally. It is a demand for the abolition of the military industrial complex and the persecution of its benefactors.

There are no good men in imperial wars. There are no righteous actors. There is no virtue in nationalism or liberation in death. Ukraine is not set free by American bombs, it is sent to its grave by them.

Russian civilians have shown valiant effort in resisting their government and applying pressure where they can to end the war. Why are we not doing the same? Why are so many posts in this thread enthusiastically cheering on the war?

And don't say some foolish thing about which empire shot first. It doesn't matter, they are both the most vile spawns of evil, there's no virtue between the either of them, only damnation or abolition. Neither will likely last the century let alone the millennia. Either in ashes or friendship both states and their respective allies will crumble in ecological collapse or international union and thus abolition of empire. What reason, what sense, what foolish thing can be found in support of them?

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erowind wrote: Sun Jan 15, 2023 8:46 am ...
In the trenches there were many cases of them refusing to fight one another, or even crossing the line and sharing camaraderie.

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And don't say some foolish thing about which empire shot first.
There have been cases reported of Ukrainians accepting the surrender of Russian troops and observing international law in respecting the rights of such ex-combatants.

It is not foolish to point out which empire shot first. It is rather to point out evidence that one side is pursuing a course of genocidal nihilism, while the other is acting in self-defense. That they may also be acting in defense of a system you hate does not alter the fact that they are defending something that they hold to be valuable. One should not shrug such motivations off as being misguided or naive. Before one can exercise the choice to form a co-op or commune, one must have the freedom of choice. Such a freedom does not always mean that the persons exercising that choice will pursue only goals for themselves that you would choose for yourself. Don't leave out the right to self-determination on the part of Ukrainians from the equation.

As I have written before, I am all for a negotiated settlement to this conflict. Continued warfare is not desirable, but then neither is standing by and watching another case of genocide.
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Deaths from strike on Ukraine apartment building rise to 25
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By VASILISA STEPANENKO and ANDREW MELDRUM 21 minutes ago

DNIPRO, Ukraine (AP) — The death toll from a Russian missile strike on an apartment building in the southeastern Ukrainian city of Dnipro rose to 25 Sunday, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy reported as rescue workers scrambled to pull survivors from the rubble.

Emergency crews worked through the frigid night at the wrecked multi-story residential building, the site of the worst casualties from a widespread Russian barrage Saturday.

The attacks, which also targeted the capital, Kyiv, and the northeastern city of Kharkiv, ended a two-week lull in the airstrikes Russia has launched against Ukraine’s power infrastructure and urban centers almost weekly since October.

Russia fired 33 cruise missiles on Saturday, of which 21 were shot down, according to Gen. Valerii Zaluzhny, the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian armed forces. The missile that hit the apartment building was a Kh-22 launched from Russia’s Kursk region, according to the military’s air force command, adding that Ukraine does not have a system capable of intercepting that type of weapon.


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Expanded US training for Ukraine forces begins in Germany
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By LOLITA C. BALDOR an hour ago
BRUSSELS (AP) — The U.S. military’s new, expanded combat training of Ukrainian forces began in Germany on Sunday, with a goal of getting a battalion of about 500 troops back on the battlefield to fight the Russians in the next five to eight weeks, said Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Milley, who plans to visit the Grafenwoehr training area on Monday to get a first-hand look at the program, said the troops being trained left Ukraine a few days ago. In Germany is a full set of weapons and equipment for them to use.

Until now the Pentagon had declined to say exactly when the training would start.

The so-called combined arms training is aimed at honing the skills of the Ukrainian forces so they will be better prepared to launch an offensive or counter any surge in Russian attacks. They will learn how to better move and coordinate their company- and battalion-size units in battle, using combined artillery, armor and ground forces.
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Fourteen.

UK is sending 14 tanks... the mother of all offensives.
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