Ukraine War Watch Thread

[Xyls]

I wonder if a certain russian user is getting his mobilization papers at this moment?

[ibm9000]

So now we believe everything the NK Government says?
Do we believe every oficial statement from every government?

In the UK there were protests about the invasion of Iraq... and they were very beautiful.

When are we invading Myanmar?, it is a dictatorship and it is killing children. What new sanctions are we imposing?, how many forensic teams is the EU sending there?, are we providing the terrorists -because they are fighting the government- with weapons to fight the dictatorship? (As we were providing Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden).

The point was and still is to pull people out of their information bubbles and try to get them to consider looking at objetive information on the events, as in all events.

[wjfox]

[raklian]

I don't think this will end well for Putin. This is going to turn a large portion of the Russian population against him.

[caltrek]

Major Battles Loom as Kremlin Mobilizes More Troops
by Cain Burdeau
September 21, 2022

Extract:

(Courthouse News) “Russia is likely to lose the war,” said Lawrence Freedman, a prominent military scholar at King's College London, talking to Gideon Rachman, the chief foreign affairs columnist for the Financial Times who runs a podcast on world affairs. Freedman made his comments as Ukraine was scoring battlefield victories in Kharkiv.

“We've reached a point where the Russian options have narrowed enormously,” Freedman said. “There's all sorts of grim possibilities that might still await us. But by and large I think this is very much the beginning of the end of the war.”

He doubted Russia will manage to mobilize enough troops in time to prevent Ukraine from beating back Moscow's forces holding onto the Donbas and territories along the Black Sea.

“I think they've just exhausted themselves in the summer,” he said of Russia's army. “Once an army starts to lose, it's very hard to stop it losing quite badly quite quickly.”
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Also, he doubted Putin can manage a radical escalation because Russia faces a shrinking arsenal of bombs and weapons and the prospect that any mobilization won't alter Russia's disadvantage in manpower until next year while at the same time stirring up discontent inside Russia.

Read more here: https://www.courthousenews.com/major-b ... e-troops/

[wjfox]

[Xyls]

More secret laws and bs from Putin. Doesn't really matter though, they won't mobilize in time, they don't have the proper materials to fight, and they won't even have the logistics to keep them alive over the winter either via food or heating.

Also Orban lmao.



So who is going to immigrate in the future with their rapidly declining population?

No one with a brain. That's for sure.

[ibm9000]

“Russia is likely to lose the war,” said Lawrence Freedman...

Has anybody tried a critical reading of what he is saying?

"The stunning success of Ukraine's blitzkrieg-like counteroffensive in the Kharkov region was a devastating blow to Moscow, which saw its troops surrender more than 3,000 square miles of territory."
This doesn't apply to Ukraine? (120.000km2 lost)

“I think they've just exhausted themselves in the summer,” he said of Russia's army. “Once an army starts to lose, it's very hard to stop it losing quite badly quite quickly.”
This doesn't apply to Ukraine?
(One lost battle is "the army" losing?, like the Soviet Army in WW2?).

...

The Authority Bias is often just another form of confirmation bias.

(By the way, he was a member of The Iraq Inquiry/Chilcot Report).

[ibm9000]

More secret laws and bs from Putin. Doesn't really matter though, they won't mobilize in time, they don't have the proper materials to fight, and they won't even have the logistics to keep them alive over the winter either via food or heating.

"A secret clause in Russian president Vladimir Putin’s “partial” mobilisation decree permits the Kremlin to draft far more soldiers than it was announced, a source told the Novaya Gazeta Europe newspaper."

So what we have is a "source" talking about a "secret clause", maybe we should wait until the Kremlin denies it to confirm it.


- they won't mobilize in time
Based on what exactly?

- they don't have the proper materials to fight
Based on what exactly?

- they won't even have the logistics
Based on wishful thinking, maybe?

- over the winter
Because we all know that the Russian army never fights in winter.

[wjfox]

Child heard crying as mobilised Russian men leave to fight

1 hour ago

A child can be heard crying while saying goodbye to their dad in a video shared on Telegram. The video shows shows mobilised Russian men waiting to board buses to go and fight in the war.

The BBC's Will Vernon was able to verify the footage after speaking to locals of Staryi Oskol in Belgorod Region, including one woman who was there when the video was filmed. The footage is being shared in the social media app Telegram.

Russia has begun implementing plans to call up reservists to fight in Ukraine after suffering setbacks there. President Vladimir Putin ordered to mobilise 300,000 more Russians with military experience, sparking protests in the country on Wednesday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-63002654