What year will the first biological male receive a functioning womb?

[weatheriscool]

What year will the first biological male receive a functioning womb? I am guessing 2027 in India. 2035 in the Uk and 2038 in the United states. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/0 ... ing-birth/

The first baby will be had in 2032 in India to a transgender woman.

[weatheriscool]

I think this will be easily achieved as there have already been well over 100 successful transplants and 50 babies born from it. I could see another 5-10 years but this is much more likely to be successful then anti-aging and genetic enhancements that have shown no real human success as of yet.

I am hoping the indian doctor pulls it off in the next few years but if not then the uk or even America could do it...The main factor is the reaction from the right wing and fascist movements against it...Science wise this is a straight shot!

[Vakanai]

Voted later. World's getting less religious every generation, even if the religious remainder gets more fundamental, extreme, and violent. But transplanting functional wombs is ridiculously dangerous complex surgery. AGI powered-robotic surgeons would be needed, the patient would need to be hooked up to some serious life support, so unless we see some serious major advancements in the surgical realm it feels more like an end of century technology if not outright a next century technology. So 2080s at the earliest, but later is more probable imo.

Weirdly, and while I know you may not want to hear this, I think we'll make more progress on artificial/external wombs so that fewer people will actually choose to give birth and more will opt to have their babies grow to term outside the mother's body.

[weatheriscool]

I don't believe it is such a complex surgery as over a hundred have been done but in females. How much more complex would simply innovating a few hook ups be? That is basically the difference. I was reading a paper on it and they have a pretty good idea on how to go forward and I feel it is probably closer then anti-aging for humans or minduploading.

The main problem is funding and support. The same people that hate trans people are going to hate this.

[weatheriscool]

I also believe that the right would probably become extremely violent to the idea of birthing machine and would probably be a lot more accepting of natural births even if it is xy people doing it. i also think such machines are probably 40 years further in the future because as I said above the natural womb is already transplanted by the hundreds while such devices are still on the drawing board. It is like attempting minduploading or downloading or any other of the thousands of theories like teleportation or super conductivity that we believe could be possible in the future but only in the future. Womb transplants are a reality now....

[Vakanai]

I don't believe it is such a complex surgery as over a hundred have been done but in females. How much more complex would simply innovating a few hook ups be? That is basically the difference. I was reading a paper on it and they have a pretty good idea on how to go forward and I feel it is probably closer then anti-aging for humans or minduploading.

The main problem is funding and support. The same people that hate trans people are going to hate this.

Yes, in females - who already have wombs and the underlying structure for them. Biological males do not (with a few exceptions), this makes it much more complex. At least in my limited understanding - I'm not in any way, shape, or form a medical expert.

[weatheriscool]

I'd take this advancing and becoming an reality for all people that want a child over a mission to mars, fusion, flying car, and maybe only second to anti-aging.

Of course, I also believe that both sexes should develop wombs so such surgeries will only be a short to mid term thing...The ability to have children is very important.

[weatheriscool]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/03/04/ ... -pregnant/

A medical report, published in the Fertility and Sterility medical journal, in January 2023, said: “The first uterus transplant in a transgender female in the 21st century is anticipated to take place within the next few years, if not sooner.”

Dr Narendra Kaushik, a surgeon in the Indian capital New Dehli, said in May 2022 that transplanting uteruses into trans women is “the future”.

Uterine transplants are currently rare, costly and experimental surgeries that typically rely on donor organs. They are often done on people born without a uterus so they can become pregnant and give birth.

The first successful womb transplant took place at the University of Gothenburg in Sweden in 2014. Two years later, the operation was carried successfully once more in the US.

About 50 babies have now been born worldwide as a result of womb transplants.

Kaushik, who has 15 years of experience in gender-affirming surgeries, said: “We cannot predict exactly when this will happen but it will happen soon. We have our plans and we are very optimistic.”

[weatheriscool]

What I find depressing is the reality that if TRUMP wins the election all funding will be killed and this will probably be banned in the United states for the next few decades. Hopefully, china, india and some parts of europe can keep progress going. Fingers crossed for Harris.

[Vakanai]

What I find depressing is the reality that if TRUMP wins the election all funding will be killed and this will probably be banned in the United states for the next few decades. Hopefully, china, india and some parts of europe can keep progress going. Fingers crossed for Harris.

The very least of concerns if Trump wins elections. Womb transplants is a nice boon to the minority who want it but unnecessary to anyone's survival, livelihood, or freedoms. Of much greater concern is the actions and policies of Trump that will cause deaths, loss of jobs or income, and the loss of freedoms we've enjoyed in this country for decades if not the two and a half centuries since this country was founded. Anti-LGBTQ+ laws will send suicide rates up, POC will see more of their gains from the Civil Rights eroded or destroyed, NATO will be weakened, women will lose even more of their bodily autonomy, education will fail and become "reeducation" (conservative propaganda), and we'll no longer live in a democracy or republic.

We need Harris to win this.

[firestar464]

I mean p2025 literally means the classification of trans people as pedos, and then executing these "pedos"

[weatheriscool]

And I am not disagreeing with either of you at all. If Harris doesn't win then we're going back to the 19th century and that will suck asshole.

Lets talk about what will happen if Harris wins? Hopefully more funding and some breaking news to come.

[weatheriscool]

I think womb transplants shouldn't be driven only for transgender woman. It should be led by men and gays that want biological children. Why? Men have a far stronger constitutional case for civil rights in the laws of this country when it comes to equal treatment and they shouldn't be refused the ability to have babies. Transgender people just don't have even 1/100th of the legal support. This is the cold truth proven time and time again.

I'll bet millions of men that are normal would also agree that this tech and ability shouldn't be limited to just woman.

Gays deserve babies
Autistic young men deserve to have babies
and men in general that don't want to deal with other people should also.

[firestar464]

Why autistic young men specifically? Furthermore, men (or people for the matter) who don't want to deal with other people honestly wouldn't really be good parents NGL. Parenting is all about interpersonal relationships...

[weatheriscool]

Freedom. The freedom to have biological children.

Not being able to impress someone shouldn't limit you from being able to have those children. Science means you aint limited by the limitations of the past and that is what futurism is all about.

Gays would benefit from this greatly.

[firestar464]

You do have a point about not being able to impress other people, but I wouldn't limit that to just autism- not all people who struggle to impress are autistic, and not all autistics struggle to impress.

[weatheriscool]

The one thing that encourages me is the main research into this is occurring in places like india and britain. So most of it would survive Trump.

Would be nice if Harris wins and funds it more...

[weatheriscool]

I can't wait until biological men can do this! No more being at the mercy of another person! Sooner the better. I think this ranks up their with anti-aging. I know quite a few men that could have children this way that they otherwise wouldn't otherwise!!!

[weatheriscool]

How many decades before male pregnancy becomes possible?

Predicting the exact decade for male pregnancy to become possible is incredibly difficult due to the immense scientific, ethical, and societal hurdles involved. However, based on current research and expert opinions, we can discuss the factors and a highly speculative timeline.

What "Male Pregnancy" Means in This Context:

For a person assigned male at birth (AMAB) to experience pregnancy, it would likely involve:

Uterus Transplantation (Uterus Transplant - UTx): This is the most direct path. A uterus would need to be surgically implanted into the male pelvic region.

Hormone Regulation: The male body doesn't naturally produce the hormones (primarily estrogen and progesterone) required to maintain a pregnancy. Extensive and sustained hormone therapy would be necessary.
Embryo Implantation: An embryo (created via IVF using sperm from the male and an egg from a donor, or other methods) would be implanted into the transplanted uterus.
Fetal Development: The transplanted uterus would need to successfully nourish and support the developing fetus.
Delivery: Due to the male pelvic structure, a Cesarean section would be necessary for delivery.

Current State of Uterus Transplants (in AFAB individuals):

Uterus transplantation is a reality for people assigned female at birth (AFAB) who are born without a uterus or have lost it.

The first successful live birth after a uterus transplant occurred in Sweden in 2014.
Since then, there have been dozens of successful births globally.
However, it's still considered a highly experimental procedure with significant risks:
Complex surgeries for both donor and recipient.
Lifelong immunosuppressant drugs for the recipient to prevent rejection, which carry their own health risks (e.g., increased risk of infection, kidney issues).
Risk of graft failure or complications during pregnancy (e.g., pre-eclampsia).

Challenges Specific to Uterus Transplants in AMAB Individuals:

The male anatomy presents several unique and significant challenges:

Anatomical Space and Support: The male pelvis is narrower and lacks the natural vascularization, ligaments, and muscular support structures present in the female pelvis designed to hold and nourish a uterus during pregnancy. This would require extensive surgical reconstruction and novel techniques to provide adequate blood supply and physical support for the transplanted uterus as it grows.
Hormonal Environment: Males do not naturally produce the complex hormonal cycles (especially progesterone) essential for uterine receptivity and maintaining pregnancy. The required hormone therapy would be intense, sustained, and its long-term effects on male physiology are not fully understood.
Immune System: The need for powerful lifelong immunosuppressants to prevent organ rejection remains a major concern, given the non-life-saving nature of the transplant.
Ethical Considerations: This is perhaps the largest immediate hurdle. Uterus transplants are risky and involve significant medical resources. Performing such a procedure on an AMAB individual for the sole purpose of enabling pregnancy raises profound ethical questions about:

Risk vs. Benefit: Is the risk to the recipient and the potential fetus justifiable for a non-life-saving procedure?
Resource Allocation: Should limited medical resources (donated organs, surgical teams, long-term care) be used for this purpose when they could be used for life-saving transplants or other fertility treatments for those with a biological capacity to carry a pregnancy?
Well-being of the Child: What are the unknown risks to a child gestated in such an atypical environment?
Societal Implications: How would society adapt to and accept such a change?

"Ectopic" Abdominal Pregnancy (Less Likely Controlled Method):

While extremely rare and dangerous, some experts have theorized that an embryo could theoretically implant in the abdominal cavity of a male and form a placenta attached to an organ like the bowel. However, almost all naturally occurring abdominal pregnancies are non-viable and pose extreme risks to the life of the person carrying them. Developing a safe, controlled medical procedure for this seems far more challenging and risky than a uterus transplant.

Speculative Timeline ("Decades Before"):

Given the complexities, most experts believe male pregnancy via uterus transplant is not a short-term possibility.

1-2 Decades (2030s-2040s):
Significant advances in uterus transplant techniques for AFAB individuals, making the procedure much safer and more routine, with fewer complications and less intensive immunosuppression.
Extensive animal studies (likely in larger mammals) demonstrating successful gestation and live births in male subjects with transplanted uteri, addressing anatomical and hormonal challenges.
Detailed research into the long-term effects of required hormone therapy on male bodies.
Early, highly experimental, and probably unsuccessful attempts in human males, likely as part of extremely limited research protocols, facing immense ethical scrutiny.

3-5 Decades (2050s-2070s):
If the ethical and safety hurdles can be cleared (a massive "if"), we might see the first highly experimental and potentially successful, but very rare, cases of male pregnancy through uterus transplantation. These would be pioneers, facing significant risks.
Even then, it would likely be limited to specific circumstances and face ongoing debate.

Beyond 5 Decades (2080s+):
If successful and deemed ethically acceptable, it might become a more established, albeit still rare and high-risk, medical procedure.
True "routinization" or widespread adoption would require breakthroughs in:
Immunosuppression: Eliminating or drastically reducing the need for lifelong anti-rejection drugs (e.g., through gene therapy, tolerance induction, or tissue-engineered uteri using the recipient's own stem cells).
Surgical Automation/Robotics: Making the complex anatomical reconstruction more precise and less invasive.

Conclusion:

While scientific advancements make many things that once seemed impossible a reality, male pregnancy via uterus transplant faces a unique confluence of extreme anatomical, physiological, and profound ethical challenges.

It's highly unlikely to become possible in the next decade or two. A more realistic, albeit still speculative, timeframe for even experimental attempts would be 3-5 decades (2050s-2070s), assuming significant breakthroughs in organ transplantation and a major shift in ethical consensus. For it to become anything resembling a "routine" or even "occasional" procedure, we're likely looking at well into the latter half of this century or beyond.

[firestar464]

Tbh it's much more likely that AGI happens and we make artificial external wombs; it would therefore be needless for anyone to carry children