Ukraine War Watch Thread

[funkervogt]

[ººº]

It is sad to see hatred for Ukraine overwhelming past feelings of Ukrainians being “our” people.
In old forum I spent literally years explaining who are "our" people in Ukraine and who are not at all our. It's sad you didn't noticed.

Anyway, here is a good analogy: imagine you have an enemy. He's just an enemy, nothing more and nothing less.
You can calmly calculate how to get rid of this enemy (by making him your friend or, if not possible, in more radical way),
but this all is purely technical issue and doesn't involve any personal feelings.
Traitor is worse than just enemy, there is already a room for feelings (very unkind).
And when this traitor is not just traitor, but your own brother...

Bot.

[ibm9000]

So...

Russia lost the war, again, but it seems that it didn't take two weeks to repair the rail traffic trough Kerch, another obvious sign of Russia losing the war... again.
I wonder if "wishful thinking" would be a fair appreciation of more than a few posts round here.

[weatheriscool]

Putin declares martial law in occupied parts of Ukraine, boosts Russia's war footing

Source: Reuters

LONDON, Oct 19 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday he was introducing martial law in four Russian-occupied regions of Ukraine that Moscow claimed last month as its own territory but is struggling to defend from Ukrainian advances.

In televised remarks to members of his Security Council, Putin boosted the powers of Russia's regional governors and ordered the creation of a special coordinating council under Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin to step up the faltering war effort.

He said the "entire system of state administration", not only the specialised security agencies, must be geared to supporting what Russia calls its "special military operation".

The package of moves, nearly eight months into the war, marked the latest escalation by Putin to counter a series of major defeats at the hands of Ukrainian forces since the start of September. A Kyiv official said it would change nothing.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pu ... 022-10-19/

[Xyls]

Meanwhile... re:Kherson

[Xyls]

Lol...

[andmar74]

How come the great Russian army is considering fleeing from Kherson?

[caltrek]

70 Percent of Citizens of Ukraine Want to Fight Until Victory Over Russia
October 20, 2022

Introduction:

(Radio Free Europe Radio Liberty via Eurasia Review) Seven out of 10 Ukrainians say their country should continue fighting until it wins the war with Russia, which includes regaining Crimea.

A poll by Gallup, conducted in early September and released on October 18, showed 70 percent of Ukrainians favor fighting until victory, while 91 percent who back the war define victory as retaking all territory seized by Russia, including Crimea, which Moscow illegally annexed in 2014.

Only 26 percent of respondents said Ukraine should seek to negotiate an ending to the war as soon as possible.

The poll, conducted across all regions of the country, was taken from September 2 to 11, just days after Ukraine began a counteroffensive that has pushed Russian troops out of many areas they had taken control of since launching their unprovoked invasion in late February.

Since then, Russia has launched a barrage of air and drone attacks focused on the country’s civilian infrastructure, leaving many areas with limited or no energy and water supplies as winter quickly approaches.

Read more here: https://www.eurasiareview.com/20102022 ... r-russia/

[Xyls]

It appears this is the Russian plan to save face in Kherson... once they retreat, they are likely going to blow the following dam and try to have their propagandists spin it to blame Ukraine. On top of this, this will cause major issues to the Zaporizhizia Nuclear Power plant cooling systems as water runs away from the plant. This could set off a nuclear disaster that would have widespread consequences beyond just Ukraine, and possibly into Russia itself.

[raklian]

It appears this is the Russian plan to save face in Kherson... once they retreat, they are likely going to blow the following dam and try to have their propagandists spin it to blame Ukraine. On top of this, this will cause major issues to the Zaporizhizia Nuclear Power plant cooling systems as water runs away from the plant. This could set off a nuclear disaster that would have widespread consequences beyond just Ukraine, and possibly into Russia itself.

It will also create problems for Crimea as the canal supplying its water will dry up. If the Russians plan on doing this, I have no idea what they're thinking unless it is an act of desperation.

[evxinvs]

It appears this is the Russian plan to save face in Kherson... once they retreat, they are likely going to blow the following dam and try to have their propagandists spin it to blame Ukraine. On top of this, this will cause major issues to the Zaporizhizia Nuclear Power plant cooling systems as water runs away from the plant. This could set off a nuclear disaster that would have widespread consequences beyond just Ukraine, and possibly into Russia itself.

It will also create problems for Crimea as the canal supplying its water will dry up. If the Russians plan on doing this, I have no idea what they're thinking unless it is an act of desperation.

I think Russians will fight Kherson until the end. The way they discuss the issue on TV shows that they are preparing the public opinion for possible heavy casualties in fight for Kherson as they "fight with all NATO to liberate their historic territories"

[Xyls]

Ukraine needs to get it's social media team under control. This is a way for them to lose support in other countries, they can't be affording to politicize themselves like this.

[Xyls]

It appears this is the Russian plan to save face in Kherson... once they retreat, they are likely going to blow the following dam and try to have their propagandists spin it to blame Ukraine. On top of this, this will cause major issues to the Zaporizhizia Nuclear Power plant cooling systems as water runs away from the plant. This could set off a nuclear disaster that would have widespread consequences beyond just Ukraine, and possibly into Russia itself.

It will also create problems for Crimea as the canal supplying its water will dry up. If the Russians plan on doing this, I have no idea what they're thinking unless it is an act of desperation.

I think Russians will fight Kherson until the end. The way they discuss the issue on TV shows that they are preparing the public opinion for possible heavy casualties in fight for Kherson as they "fight with all NATO to liberate their historic territories"

Completely disagree. They are swapping out their professional soldiers in the city for conscripts right now to be the cannon fodder. Putin knows Kherson is a lost cause so is going to use a scored earth/false-flag to try and save face.

[evxinvs]

Ukraine needs to get it's social media team under control. This is a way for them to lose support in other countries, they can't be affording to politicize themselves like this.

Looks like they deleted the tweet. What was that?

[evxinvs]

It will also create problems for Crimea as the canal supplying its water will dry up. If the Russians plan on doing this, I have no idea what they're thinking unless it is an act of desperation.

I think Russians will fight Kherson until the end. The way they discuss the issue on TV shows that they are preparing the public opinion for possible heavy casualties in fight for Kherson as they "fight with all NATO to liberate their historic territories"

Completely disagree. They are swapping out their professional soldiers in the city for conscripts right now to be the cannon fodder. Putin knows Kherson is a lost cause so is going to use a scored earth/false-flag to try and save face.

Swapping professional soldiers with conscripts looks like an awfully bad idea, as withdrawal operations are one of the hardest to execute. What Putin may get is an absolute disaster, with many conscripts being taken hostage (in best of the cases) and plenty of hardware "transferred" to Ukraine.

[ibm9000]

Swapping professional soldiers with conscripts...

What units?, how many?, since when?, where exactly?, what actual information do we have about that?

About the dam...
All I've got it's a "Zelensky says" from the ISW. I think to recall that those floods east from Kiev were a "great strategy" causing immense damage to the enemy and I cannot remember reading anything about the suffering of civilians.
Any nuclear engineer around here? If (iiiif) blowing up that dam is going to affect the nuclear plant, those plants can be "paused", so, maybe, somebody already planned what to do; as you plan where to place explosives, if you are going to blow up something.

"Desperation" because they lost 4 out of 120 and with "one million" recruits coming. Yes, it sounds about right; as desperate as after the non-destruction oh the Kerch bridge.

[Xyls]

Ukraine needs to get it's social media team under control. This is a way for them to lose support in other countries, they can't be affording to politicize themselves like this.

Looks like they deleted the tweet. What was that?

It was a meme basically throwing their support for the next UK PM behind Boris Johnston. Almost looked like political interference within UK affairs.... certain to piss off elements of the UK population who view this as an internal matter for UK citizens to decide.

[ººº]

Ukraine needs to get it's social media team under control. This is a way for them to lose support in other countries, they can't be affording to politicize themselves like this.

https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1583 ... de%3Dfalse

Looks like they deleted the tweet. What was that?

It was a meme basically throwing their support for the next UK PM behind Boris Johnston. Almost looked like political interference within UK affairs.... certain to piss off elements of the UK population who view this as an internal matter for UK citizens to decide.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -10-backs/

[evxinvs]

Looks like they deleted the tweet. What was that?

It was a meme basically throwing their support for the next UK PM behind Boris Johnston. Almost looked like political interference within UK affairs.... certain to piss off elements of the UK population who view this as an internal matter for UK citizens to decide.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... -10-backs/

Not very smart, indeed. It's like if UK or USA from official Govt. accounts were praising the former President of Ukraine Poroshenko... Some sort of fun is acceptable in Govt. social media, but this is way outside of the permissible.

[Yuli Ban]