2023-2024 Presidential, senate, house, state and city election thread

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Don’t Trust the Election Forecasts
by Justin Grimmer
September 3, 2024

Introduction:
(Politico) Even as Joe Biden’s presidential candidacy teetered and polls showed him clearly losing to Donald Trump, the election forecasting site 538 was still estimating that Biden was likeliest to win. It was a conclusion based on odd modeling assumptions that led the site’s original founder, Nate Silver, to declare the 538 model “very obviously broken” and for the site’s new chief to acknowledge an adjustment to its model when it relaunched with Kamala Harris’ candidacy.

The episode is notable not just for the skirmishing between rival forecasters — but because it revealed how little value should be placed in these projections at all.

I’m a political scientist who develops and applies machine learning methods, like forecasts, to political problems. The truth is we don’t have nearly enough data to know whether these models are any good at making presidential prognostications. And the data we do have suggests these models may have real-world negative consequences in terms of driving down turnout.

Statistical models that aggregate polling data and use it to estimate the probability of each candidate winning an election have become extremely popular in recent years. Proponents claim they provide an unbiased projection of what will happen in November and serve as antidotes to the ad hoc predictions of talking-head political pundits. And of course, we all want to know who is going to win.
But the reality is there’s far less precision and far more punditry than forecasters admit.
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Ex-GOP Strategist Predicts Exactly When Trump Crashes: ‘The Bottom’s Gonna Drop Out’

03/09/2024

Former GOP strategist Stuart Stevens on Monday predicted that Donald Trump will soon face a serious math problem.

“Trump lost by 7 million votes [in 2020],” Stevens told MSNBC’s Ali Vitali. “He needs new customers. What is he doing to attract new customers?”

Stevens said Trump has no new vision, promise or policy that brings new voters, which is why he is “stuck” at about 46% in polls, which is what he had in his losing 2020 campaign.

“Even when it was versus Biden after that bad debate, he still had trouble moving north of 47%,” he said.

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“I think the more likely scenario is that this race is gonna be close until maybe Oct. 20th, 25th, and then I just think the bottom’s gonna start to drop out for Trump because he’s not acquiring new voters,” he said. “This is what happened to Carter in ’80, and I think there’s a lot of similarities here.”

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Nate silver just destroyed his creditablity and he shouldn't be posted in this thread. f*ck him.



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Historian who accurately predicted 9 of last 10 presidential elections makes his 2024 pick

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WASHINGTON - Allan Lichtman, the historian who correctly predicted the outcome of nine out of the ten most recent presidential elections, has made his guess on who will reclaim the White House this year.

Spoiler alert: it’s Vice President Kamala Harris.

Lichtman said in a video, first reported by The New York Times, that he based his prediction on thirteen keys or “big picture true false questions that tap into the strength and performance of the White House Party.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 082875007/
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How I Became a One Way Pen Pal for Democracy
by Melissa Wall
September 4, 2024

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(Zócalo) Oh, you beautiful souls in Battle Creek, Michigan: the teacher, the pipelayer, the barista, the big-hearted tech at the vet’s office checking in a scared family’s pug. How I wish you would stop being an infrequent participant in our democracy and take the time to vote in the upcoming election.

Scratch that. I’m off script.

I became a one-way pen pal for democracy in 2018, writing letters and postcards to strangers in the lead-up to that year’s midterm elections.

I had spent the months before marching for women, science, immigrants, and Muslims. Then I decided marching wasn’t enough. I needed to engage individual Americans about electing politicians who shared my values.

So that September, I attended a grassroots event to learn about volunteer voter outreach hosted by a Los Angeles group called Civic Sundays. We could choose to learn how to knock on doors, call and text prospective voters, or write postcards to engage people.
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Harris Tells the Business Community: I’m Friendlier Than Biden

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President (National)

Harris (D) 51%
Trump (R) 45%
Kennedy (I) 3%
Stein (G) 1%
West (I) 1%
Oliver (L) 1%

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wjfox wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:39 pm Image
Reminds me of when Canada did something similar for Obama and Romney, and the results can be expected. Hilarious that even your Tories prefer Harris and Trump is only preferred by the far fringe right, yet anything said by her is considered "extreme" while Trump is normalized.

If Trump does win the election, America deserves it completely. I really hope AGI gets achieved at some point this decade still, because the common (American) person is not who I'd prefer to entrust the future to.
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wjfox wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:39 pm Image
This question was asked in my country (Australia) and the result returned a similar Harris margin.

I feel a lot of second-hand embarrassment for America over what things have come to and I think I'm not alone over here. I had to explain to a friend not long ago that yes, Trump can keep running after his convictions, and he can continue running from a prison cell if it comes to that.
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Cyber_Rebel wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 11:19 pm
wjfox wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:39 pm Image
Reminds me of when Canada did something similar for Obama and Romney, and the results can be expected. Hilarious that even your Tories prefer Harris and Trump is only preferred by the far fringe right, yet anything said by her is considered "extreme" while Trump is normalized.

If Trump does win the election, America deserves it completely. I really hope AGI gets achieved at some point this decade still, because the common (American) person is not who I'd prefer to entrust the future to.
I don't entrust the future to the common person of any one nation, my own included, but it should be noted that if Trump does win, just like the last time he won it should not be used as an indictment of the common American. Remember, he won the presidency through the electoral college, not the popular vote. Likewise, win or lose this time he will still once again lost the popular vote. This is because most "common" Americans do not trust or want Trump, it's only through a very convoluted process that he won once and could win again despite it being the opposite of what most people in the nation want.

The common American is not a MAGA Trumper, even if he does win.
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Eighty-eight corporate leaders endorse Harris in new letter, including CEOs of Yelp, Box
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/06/harris- ... ipple.html
Sep 6 20245:11 AM EDT
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WASHINGTON — Eighty-eight current and former top executives from across corporate America have endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris for president in a new letter shared exclusively with CNBC.

Among the signers are several high-profile CEOs of public companies, including Aaron Levie of Box, Jeremy Stoppelman of Yelp
and Michael Lynton, chairman of Snap, Inc
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Other signers appear to be issuing their first public endorsements of Harris since she became the de facto Democratic nominee in July.

They include James Murdoch, the former CEO of 21st Century Fox and an heir to the Murdoch family media empire, and crypto executive Chris Larsen, co-founder of the Ripple blockchain platform.
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