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ibm9000 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:27 pm

It's basically signalling to

Or not and it's politics, Putin basically signalling stop messing with my war.

US says it told the Kremlin that Russia will face 'catastrophic consequences' if it uses tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine

raklian wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:46 pm

ibm9000 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:27 pm

It's basically signalling to

Or not and it's politics, Putin basically signalling stop messing with my war.

Putin knows we're going to "mess" with his war no matter what he does. Heck, he even knows it is in our interest to do so for the sake of maintaining our sphere of influence. And that's what we've been doing since the whole thing started, so the "bluff" is more of Putin warning us not to make it any worse than it already has. Well, that's totally up to him. If he escalates, we escalate too, which is precisely what we're warning him.

andmar74 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:52 pm https://www.businessinsider.com/us-russ ... ?r=US&IR=T

US says it told the Kremlin that Russia will face 'catastrophic consequences' if it uses tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine

I wonder what they told the Russians.

raklian wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:14 pm It's what a $800 billion defense budget allows us to do, I suppose.

caltrek wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:08 pm

raklian wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:46 pm

ibm9000 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:27 pm



Or not and it's politics, Putin basically signalling stop messing with my war.

Putin knows we're going to "mess" with his war no matter what he does. Heck, he even knows in our interest to do so for the sake of maintaining our sphere of influence. And that's what we've been doing since the whole thing started, so the "bluff" is more of Putin warning us not to make it any worse than it already has. Well, that's totally up to him. If he escalates, we escalate too, which is precisely what we're warning him.

Yes. What I worry about that may be missing is what are metaphorically referred to as "offramps." Ways of letting Putin walk away from the situation with a minimum of damage to himself politically. Not that he doesn't deserve to be removed from office. More for the sake of avoiding World War III. I am not sure if he ever used the word "offramps", but that is also pretty much the sort of thing Naom Chomsky worries about. Not that Chomsky does not consider Putin's actions to not be criminal, or that Ukraine should have capitulated to earlier demands made by Putin.

My very first boss in my post graduate professional career gave me a very important pointer. When negotiating with a potential political rival, always keep them from feeling cornered. Always give them a way out so that they can save face. Emotionally, many of us may want to see Putin hung from a tree while he dies an agonizing death because of his criminal behavior. Still, to avoid World War III...

KYIV—Ukraine dealt Russia’s Air Force some of its heaviest blows in months over the weekend, shooting down four war planes and eight Iranian-made drones that Russia has recently deployed, Ukrainian officials said, highlighting the losses Russians are taking as they try to boost control of the air.

The Ukrainian strikes follow some of the biggest gains by Kyiv since the start of the war and maintain Ukraine’s momentum on the battlefield. The losses raised the number of Russian planes downed to about 60 since the start of the invasion.

Russia’s Iranian-made drones attacked Odessa, a historic port city on the Black Sea, early Sunday. No one was hurt and one of the drones was shot down by air defenses, Ukraine’s southern command said.
Ukraine’s Air Force spokesman Yuriy Ignat said

Ukrainian forces had shot down eight drones in the past 24 hours using small arms and air-defense systems. He said four Il-76 transport planes had flown to Russia carrying shipments of the Iranian drones, including the Shahed-136, which is used as a “suicide” drone to attack targets.

Putin knows we're going to ...

ibm9000 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:18 pm

Putin knows we're going to ...

We escalate?, you are happily walking into WW3 and I am not quite sure about that of "Russia will suffer"... only Russia?