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Is a federation of nations or a world government possible?
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:34 am
by weatheriscool
I'd say yes....It wouldn't be easy. I think the model is the United states or great Britain.
My idea of it is
1. The house would have one seat per nation. We'd be equals. Kind of like North Dakota is to California. 200+ nations.
2. The senate would be a few dozen senators that would be elected from the house or some hybrid system. This body would work a lot like the United states senate in have the power to place judges on the supreme court and confirm nominees of the admin. This body would also keep the presidency in check and enforce the constitution.
3. The presidency/executive. Maybe this would be elected by the largest party in the house and work towards global census. I think that would be the fairest way to do it at this level as no one would have too much power.
The presidency could be more like the prime minister as he'd also be the head of the house.
A constitution could be written and agreed to by all 200+ nations. I'd hope with the goals of peace, working together and a better future for humanity.
What do you think of my concepts.
Re: Is a federation of nations or a world government possible?
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:56 am
by ººº
Maybe but not for now.
Re: Is a federation of nations or a world government possible?
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:49 am
by Ozzie guy
Probably not.
It would be a giant cluster F trying to make this happen with anti revisionist socialist states. (Socialism is not going to be a major force before AGI)
Under Capitalism an imperialist country wants to exploit others not become one country with the third world.
Communism and abundance/post scarcity are basically the same thing. States should wither away when not needed.
I could see us having global organizations akin to the UN, a Global version of NASA etc
Re: Is a federation of nations or a world government possible?
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:07 am
by Bird
Right now? Absolutely not.
In the future? Definitely possible. I think it'll be a great question to seriously think about during the 22nd century. Humanity could be very different by that point.
weatheriscool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:34 am
A constitution could be written and agreed to by all 200+ nations. I'd hope with the goals of peace, working together and a better future for humanity.
Current politics would make this sort of thing impossible.
In short:
ººº wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:56 am
Maybe but not for now.
Re: Is a federation of nations or a world government possible?
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:42 am
by funkervogt
We're not close to agreeing to that.
Re: Is a federation of nations or a world government possible?
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:11 am
by Jakob
Good luck getting China to agree to freedom of speech. Or Saudi Arabia to agree to freedom of religion. Or the USA to commit to not bombing random patches of desert in this new world nation.
Re: Is a federation of nations or a world government possible?
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:42 am
by ººº
Jakob wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 2:11 am
Good luck getting China to agree to freedom of speech. Or Saudi Arabia to agree to freedom of religion. Or the USA to commit to not bombing random patches of desert in this new world nation.
Good luck in integrating everyone.
Re: Is a federation of nations or a world government possible?
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 3:10 pm
by funkervogt
In the next 100 years, the only way we could have a world government is if an AGI takes over the planet.
Re: Is a federation of nations or a world government possible?
Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:47 pm
by lechwall
It's certainly possible. A more interesting question in my view would be what are the pre-requisites that would be needed to achieve this? Assuming a peaceful transition to world government as opposed to some future dictator conquering the entire world which is quite unlikely.
The two big ones for me would be:
1. Everyone can speak, communicate and be understood by each other presently this is not possible at the minute due to language barriers but with the future invention of perfect real time language translation this issue will go away
2. Every country has transitioned to a liberal democracy
Re: Is a federation of nations or a world government possible?
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:25 am
by Nanotechandmorefuture
weatheriscool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:34 am
I'd say yes....It wouldn't be easy. I think the model is the United states or great Britain.
My idea of it is
1. The house would have one seat per nation. We'd be equals. Kind of like North Dakota is to California. 200+ nations.
2. The senate would be a few dozen senators that would be elected from the house or some hybrid system. This body would work a lot like the United states senate in have the power to place judges on the supreme court and confirm nominees of the admin. This body would also keep the presidency in check and enforce the constitution.
3. The presidency/executive. Maybe this would be elected by the largest party in the house and work towards global census. I think that would be the fairest way to do it at this level as no one would have too much power.
The presidency could be more like the prime minister as he'd also be the head of the house.
A constitution could be written and agreed to by all 200+ nations. I'd hope with the goals of peace, working together and a better future for humanity.
What do you think of my concepts.
Closest thing would be the United Nations in the always desperately marketed state of New York. If it ever evolved into official global government this could easily be a way for a politician to upgrade so to say in the USA. Besides finance, United Nations, and maybe some random stuff there really is nothing better in North East especially New York City New York that you can find out West USA with better environment. There is no need to rag on it anymore than its existence already does anyway since there are quite a bit of New Yorkers down where I am currently at and over the years I heard all I needed to about that hellhole.
