Ukraine War Watch Thread

[andmar74]

[ibm9000]

missile visited a meeting of the Ukrainian Air Force

So...
You were present at the meeting?, after the meeting, I mean, to count the corpses, or is this another fairy-tale?, an eastern one instead of a western one.

On the other hand, that there was no "battle fo Kiev" is something we all should know, as we should know that it was never surrounded and never under siege; and the battle for Kharkov is another fairy-tale.

I really wonder how many people keep things in mind.

It is even possible that Russia cedes Kherson -I don't think so- and moves south of the river; I think it would be easier to create a 10km, scorched earth area around it, just with artillery. Who knows, maybe the have ammo and planes, to do that.

[ibm9000]

this "battle" has ended in late march

You are misreading that Aussie, the "strategy" -the word should be "tactic"- was used around Kiev, that is what he is saying brought "victory".

Something like... attrition was invented around Kiev in 2022. Also, that the enemy leaves doesn't mean you force him to do it. Again and for both sides...

Confident language by an officer is not usually regarded as evidence of competency. J. E. Johnston.

[Certain Russian user]

So...
You were present at the meeting?, after the meeting, I mean, to count the corpses, or is this another fairy-tale?

No, yourhonor, I wasn't there. As well as I didn't witnessed, say, the murder of Gaius Julius Caesar by Roman senators in 44 BC. Fortunately, for most cases the personal presence is not necessary, there are other ways to make conclusions (with a sufficient degree of certainty) what is true and what is not. I made my conclusions and that's enough. You made your own, but I don't really care (though, if you're going to explain where exactly and why I'm wrong, I'm all ears).

[Time_Traveller]

Ukraine steps up attacks on Russian-occupied Kherson

Wed 27 Jul 2022 09.39 BST

A key Russian-held bridge into the occupied southern city of Kherson has been hit with a barrage of rocket fire by Ukrainian forces, who appear to be stepping up operations to isolate the city.

Video and witness accounts pointed to up to 18 detonations on the Antonivskiy Bridge over the Dnieper River, one of the main Russian resupply routes into Kherson, with Russian anti-missile air defences apparently failing to intercept the strikes. A second railway bridge upstream was also hit.

The latest strike on the bridge came as Ukraine’s navy confirmed on Wednesday that work had started at three Ukrainian Black Sea ports aimed at preparing for the resumption of grain exports.

Ukraine’s armed forces published a one-minute clip on Telegram showing the rocket fire on the bridge just after 1am on Wednesday. “The moment of the flight over the Antonivskiy Bridge,” the force said.

A spokesperson for the Ukrainian military’s southern command, Nataliya Humenyuk, told Ukrainian TV that “surgical strikes” were carried out on the bridge. We are not destroying the infrastructure, we are destroying the enemy’s plans,” she added.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... ed-kherson

[ibm9000]

say, the murder of Gaius Julius Caesar

Say... the hostages and the evacuation in Sverodonestk?, but you were using different words then, not "a sufficient degree of certainty". It seems that you use your imagination to draw your conclusions and when the facts don't fit, you just forget about it.

Still, I don't think we will have to wait until October, the offensive that never happened, I cannot see it now.

[Certain Russian user]

Say... the hostages and the evacuation in Sverodonestk?

And where was I wrong? There were a lot of interviews with those liberated hostages... you couldn't see them, obviously, since those interviews would completely ruin your side's narrative of intrepid nation with almost religious faith in democracy fighting the megalomaniac tyrant probably dying from cancer and so on.

The very fact that this story of hostages seems implausible to you, says a lot... as I wrote above, I made (long ago) my conclusions and that's enough.

[Certain Russian user]

Still, I don't think we will have to wait until October, the offensive that never happened, I cannot see it now.

Ukrainian offensive on Herson direction? Yes, the preparations are underway, this is obvious. Few days ago they managed to cross the Inhulets river, dividing zones of control, and captured the Andriivka village on our shore (clearly a foothold for further offensive). Then they came under heavy artillery fire and, yesterday, returned (not all) on their shore.

PS I wasn't there. Just saying...

[ibm9000]

a lot of interviews

Where are those interviews?, not in the West. Only Russian Media?, with a soldier present? Any one of those hostages is back in Ukraine, telling the same story to the Western Media?
You make a statement to the Police, but then you have to tell the same story before a judge.

and captured the Andriivka village

That is a local counterattack; getting to the gates of Kiev in two days, that is an offensive. Also, the continuos local attacks along a wide area for a long period of time in Luhansk.

and that's enough.

That doesn't sound very scientific, more like a tantrum.

[ibm9000]

PS: You forgot about the soldiers slipping away.

[Certain Russian user]

a lot of interviews

Where are those interviews?, not in the West.

Exactly what I meant.

and that's enough.

That doesn't sound very scientific, more like a tantrum.

Sigh... I'm too old to compete with you in this kind of trolling. Who knows, perhaps five or ten years ago... and now let's just drop it.

[Xyls]

Ukraine is confident that it will retake Kherson by September. The Russians are in an extremely poor position here. There are only two bridges crossing the Dniper river and Ukraine is consistently making them unusable with HIMAR systems to where the can't restock and reposition troops. There is a high likelihood that Russia will have to cede massive amounts of terrain or suffer massive losses to the Ukrainians here.

Yeah, that's exactly the reason I love to re-visit this thread from time to time...

Meanwhile, today Russian "musicians" completely took control of the Uglegorsk TPP. This was the difficult task since ukrops were well prepared for defence, and infrastructure had to be preserved (so, no missiles or artillery). Nevertheless, mission accomplished:



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In general, this month after the liberation of Lysychansk was rather "calm". The daily missile strikes, as always, were bearing fruit: one can easily recruit another 10,000 conscripts to replace the dead, but this is not so easy to replace even 100 killed officers. Artillery did a great job, tactical successes here or there... and still, no large-scale offensive. The keyword of this month was "consolidation", rather even political than military: strengthening of new administrations in the liberated territories, rapid housing construction in Mariupol (winter is coming, and people need housing), preparation for accession referendums (so far, scheduled for september, but I'm not so sure). From what I learned from the media (never stated directly, but a lot of hints here and there, obvious for those reading "between the lines"), this "calm phase" should soon end.

Therefore, let's watch (as long as we don't have to participate).

I mean this is in Donetsk not Kherson so doesn't change anything I said about the situation there. I'm pretty sure the Ukrainians are straightening and consolidating their defences near Slovyansk and Kramatorsk anyways so that is where the real Ukrainian defensive line in the Donbas is anyways. The fact that Siverts and Bakhmut haven't fallen yet is more of an indication of Russian ineptness than strength.

[weatheriscool]

Northern Ukraine Comes Under Burst of Russian Attacks
Source: Wall Street Journal

KYIV, Ukraine—Missiles and rockets rained down on northern Ukraine on Thursday morning, marking the first time in weeks that the Kyiv region, far from the fighting in the country’s east and south, has been hit.

A Kalibr cruise missile struck a military base in the Vyshgorod area, north of Kyiv, early Thursday morning, according to military officials. At least 20 rockets were fired from Belarus into northern Ukraine, according to Ukrainian officials. Nine hit the Chernihiv region, while air-defense systems took out others. Shells also hit the Kharkiv and Mykolaiv regions overnight, in Ukraine’s northeast and south respectively.

“Restless morning. Rocket terror again,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky wrote on Telegram on Thursday morning. “We will not be intimidated. Ukraine is an independent, free, indivisible state.”

Russian and Belarusian officials didn’t immediately comment on the strikes in northern Ukraine on Thursday.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/no ... r-AA103FiL

[wjfox]

It hurt itself in its confusion!

[ibm9000]

Exactly what I meant.

So, where is the link?, where can we see all those interviews?, in what newspapers am I going to get detailed information about it?

I'm too old to...

I don't think that fact-checking -let's call it information about those facts from different sources- has anything to do with age, maybe a bit with the scientific method.
You reached your conclusion -great for you, you are one step closer to happiness-, but some people are a bit more skeptic.

[wjfox]

[ibm9000]

Also...

The rouble is soaring and Putin is stronger than ever, our sanctions have backfired.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... sia-europe

Do we have any economist around?

[funkervogt]

Putin has recalled a morbidly obese, 67-year-old general from retirement, named "General Pavel," to command special operations troops in Ukraine after another general was seriously wounded.

“Most of his best and battle-hardened senior commanders have been killed or injured fighting in Ukraine so he is resorting to sending second rate officers to the front who don’t last very long.
“He is now dragging generals out of retirement and one of those is General Pavel.
“Putin is like a mafia boss who no one can refuse to obey. If a retired general gets a message from Putin saying mother Russia needs you to fight in Ukraine there is not much you can do. There is now escape from Russia thanks to the sanctions.”

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world- ... d-27326346

I just discovered this news story was false. The obese "General Pavel" was actually a retired Russian border guard named "Ivan Ivanovich Turchin," and the infamous photo of him was taken during a border guard ceremony.

[Time_Traveller]

Ah, the McMoldy Burger.

[Certain Russian user]

The American (now Ukrainian) HIMARS carried out a successful strike on the Yelenovka prison colony, where Ukrainian POWs were kept. By preliminary reports, 53 POWs were killed (mostly while sleeping). Fortunately, there are no casualties among the Russian personnel.

"Procedure of extraction" zelensky-way... I mean these were not just ordinary noname POWS but "Azov" militants captured in Mariupol. Being captured, they became a serious headache for Zelensky regime, so Ukrainian authorities used HIMARS to execute them.

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PS Five months of war have passed but Ukraine keeps amazing me... many times I thought "no, that's too cruel/mad/extreme even for them" and I was always wrong.