How do you think the general public wants us to evolve in terms of TV/movies?

[iridescentrae]

Now that “cancel culture” is a thing, we have the chance to promote (as well as cancel) certain people (as role models...?), ideas, political views, etc. What would you like to see?

I, for one, would like to see Nickelodeon and Disney be accepting of the LGBTQA community.

I’d also like to see the Barbie brand become accepting as well.

What about you? What do you think others would want to promote?

On a personal note, I just sent writing samples to a movie production company for marketing jobs and I’m hoping to hear back soon. If I get it, some of these ideas (yes, I’m aware they’re partly skewed by political views, how you were raised, etc. but I’m looking for a variety of ideas and viewpoints) may come to fruition!

[Jakob]

I think politics should be kept out of entertainment.

Unless it happens to be politics I agree with, of course. Which is none, as all politicians are bad people and the only problems that politics/politicians solve are the ones they create to justify their own existence.

[weatheriscool]

I think politics should be kept out of entertainment.

Unless it happens to be politics I agree with, of course. Which is none, as all politicians are bad people and the only problems that politics/politicians solve are the ones they create to justify their own existence.

I agree. Hollywood is full of anti-American filth and it is becoming disgusting and hard to watch!

[R8Z]

I, for one, would like to see Nickelodeon and Disney be accepting of the LGBTQA community.

I’d also like to see the Barbie brand become accepting as well.

I don't think sexuality should be the topic of a childrens' show. It's getting kinda boring how hard these things are being forced in the western world, it's basically everywhere. Just yesterday I've watched a live stream from my bank presenting a new credit card and app features and it was like 90% discussing these topics and the rest the actual content that I wanted to watch, like why? Why dedicate so much time to these? Almost all new Netflix shows are like this (coming from the US is basically 100% certain that there will be this topic, some way or another, sometimes even being the main subject of the show).

Like, I am a libertarian futurist that accepts any people however they are (almost no exceptions from my side) but I don't really care who or what you have sex with and I don't think it's a good idea to keep inserting this as the subject of a show/movie which the plot has no correlation this idea. Just give me the actual content, not politics or whatever you think is important to "educate" people at the moment.

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On the topic at hand from my perspective I think people in general are demanding more shows which try to be believable and have less plot-holes or dumb science. It's been a while since I've seen a fiction movie with big physics errors like it used to be the norm in the past.

[Yuli Ban]

Now that “cancel culture” is a thing

It's been a thing for a long time.

When Mississippi Banned 'Sesame Street'

And these threads feel funny to me, coming from my perspective.

Come ten to fifteen years from now, if I want a TV show that has an anarcha-lesbian queer character, I'll simply tell my computer, "Generate an anarcha-lesbian queer character into this show." If there's a TV show I want to change so that every female is silent, demure, and passive with any scenes of them taking action intelligently cut out, I'll tell my computer, "Make these episodes MRA friendly, on the double." If I want to take a show from my childhood and have all the dialogue be randomized into word salad with the original voice actors, my will be done. Creators' wishes be damned, I'll do what I want with my magic media machines. That's the actual future of TV and movies and much more.


And as I've said plenty of times before, we as a society are not ready for this power. It will destroy us, and I can't wait to see it.

[Redspector]

The media industry is controlled and operated by corporations who give out starting money to ideas they like and refuse to give money to ideas they don't like. Often times, this goes contrary to what the general public would think of such ideas. There are countless examples of famous movies with better endings that didn't get put in the final publication because it was not what corporations wanted. The whole industry is controlled by a literal handful of rich people who aren't pumping out movies that people want, just whatever can maximize profit. LGBTQIA has only recently become acceptable by the media and hence why you see characters of that demographic on movies and shows.

The entire movie/tv show industry is a sham. They create the same movies every year but with small differences. Use the same TV or movie tropes and lure people back to pay for something they have seen a thousand times. Movies that are interesting are risky investments because they don't want people to dislike it. Its the same with songs. Creating songs about the same things and using very catchy yet nearly synonymous beats. If this is capitalist innovation, then this is pathetic. Nearly every top movie in the past 10 years is taking a already established tv show/comic/movie/book and turning it into a movie.

You may be thinking socialist innovation in movies is worse but you are wrong. Here is George Lucas's opinion on the movie industry in america compared to the Soviet Union: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWqvaMEFIdI

Even the capitalist's favorite movie director says the Soviet Union is a better place for filmmakers.

[caltrek]

Why Can’t the Star Wars Nerds Imagine a World With Black People?
by Arianna Coghill
June 2, 2022

Introduction:

(Mother Jones) It’s like clockwork. A harvesting of Star Wars IP is announced; a cast list is released; a horde of fans abuse an actor of color for daring to be in the franchise.

This time the racists crawled out of their hidey holes and took to social media to abuse actress Moses Ingram. Ingram faced the barrage after it was revealed she would play “Reva” in the new Obi Wan Kenobi mini-series. People called her a “diversity hire,” the N-word, and a slew of other race-based insults. Some even threatened her life.

Disney defended the actress. And, eventually, Ingram addressed the abuse herself, posting a response on her Instagram story.
“Thank you to those who’ve stepped up to defend me,” she said. “And to the rest of y’all, y’all are weird.”

Read more here: https://www.motherjones.com/mojo-wire/ ... -ingram/

I really don’t know the answer to the question posed by the title in the cited article. The racists do strike me as being "weird."

Still, I wonder if part of the answer lies in the treatment of aliens. Aliens are abundant in Star Wars, but they are clearly identified as such. They may be seven foot and very hairy, or wise masters of the force, or Ewoks, but they are above all aliens. Aliens, moreover, that one does not have to encounter and deal with in real life. To cast a person of color in the role of a non-alien (in the sense that Luke Skywalker is a non-alien) is intolerable to a racist. It implies that they belong with us, that they are like us, and perhaps should even enjoy the same rights as the rest of "us". All contrary to the central belief of racists.

Just a guess on my part.

[citali_]

There should be some evolving. And move on from what they're doing today.

[Vakanai]

I think the general public wants more feels samey MCU movies (I used to love the MCU, and I still enjoy it, but god it feels like if you've seen one you've seen them all they feel so alike in tone) and more live action remakes of classic Disney animated movies.

I kind of hate the general public at this point...

On the topic at hand from my perspective I think people in general are demanding more shows which try to be believable and have less plot-holes or dumb science. It's been a while since I've seen a fiction movie with big physics errors like it used to be the norm in the past.

I don't know, Godzilla vs Kong was as dumb and full of plot holes as a movie can get and it allegedly did well for HBO Max (I'm also a member of a Toho/Godzilla/Kaiju forum, and I swear I'm the only one who hates that movie, sheer rubbish and such a horrid step down from the films that preceded it).

[Wally]

If you asked the public what they wanted before cars came around, the answer you would get would be "faster horses"

The public doesn't know what it wants. I'd be perfectly happy to consume the same MCU stuff, because I like it. It's what I know. It hits the 4 quadrants (young male, young female, older male, older female) so they make tons of money. They are safe.

What the public doesn't know, or can't predict, is what is next going to capture the zeitgeist. With enhanced SFX, and increased inclusivity, the variety of stories possible to be put on the screen is increased. The sky is the limit.

It is the creatives and the trendsetters out there on the edge who are looking for the Next Big Thing.

[funkervogt]

If you asked the public what they wanted before cars came around, the answer you would get would be "faster horses"

The public doesn't know what it wants. I'd be perfectly happy to consume the same MCU stuff, because I like it. It's what I know. It hits the 4 quadrants (young male, young female, older male, older female) so they make tons of money. They are safe.

What the public doesn't know, or can't predict, is what is next going to capture the zeitgeist. With enhanced SFX, and increased inclusivity, the variety of stories possible to be put on the screen is increased. The sky is the limit.

It is the creatives and the trendsetters out there on the edge who are looking for the Next Big Thing.

I couldn't have said it better.

In the long run, people will want entertainment content tailored specifically to themselves, whether it is video games, movies, TV shows, or music. They're currently unaware that such a thing is possible because they're not keeping track of developing tech trends like we on this forum are, which makes your Henry Ford quote about "faster horses" very apt.

What the general public wants and expects is one thing, what will actually happen is another.

[caltrek]

Marvel’s Villains are Eclipsing its Heroes
by Alex Abad-Santos
July 8, 2022

Introduction:

(Vox) Without a shadow of a doubt, the best thing about Thor: Love and Thunder is its villain: Gorr the God Butcher (Christian Bale).
It’s a great name. A butcher isn’t just a killer, he doesn’t just end a life and move on. He repurposes and reconfigures his victims, hacking at hunks of their meat with a cleaver. The name brings to mind flesh and metal and thwacks against a divine cutting board.

Then there’s the great story. Gorr, born in an unnamed world far away, was eternally devout — even in his own suffering, even after the death of his daughter. But then on his judgment day, he came face to face with the god he worshiped, Rapu (Jonny Brugh). High on haughtiness, Rapu told Gorr he didn’t care about him. With no faith to lose, Gorr killed Rapu with the magical Necrosword. Now, he tries to make everyone feel the same hopelessness he does. He does this by butchering those gods, one by one.

But — spoiler alert — even though Gorr the God Butcher is the best thing about Thor: Love and Thunder, it’s likely to be the last fans ever see of him.

Maybe we’ll get lucky and he’ll be around for a grand flashback, but he dies at the end of the movie, and history shows that’s usually the end of the road for Marvel villains. Like Michael B. Jordan’s Killmonger from Black Panther and Cate Blanchett’s Hela from Thor: Ragnarock, Bale’s Gorr probably won’t be back for another round.

Read more here: https://www.vox.com/2022/7/8/23197353 ... ian-bale

caltrek's comment: Personally, I think that it is a sad commentary on our culture that anti-heroes maybe becoming more popular than heroes.

[Vakanai]

Marvel’s Villains are Eclipsing its Heroes
by Alex Abad-Santos
July 8, 2022

Introduction:

(Vox) Without a shadow of a doubt, the best thing about Thor: Love and Thunder is its villain: Gorr the God Butcher (Christian Bale).
It’s a great name. A butcher isn’t just a killer, he doesn’t just end a life and move on. He repurposes and reconfigures his victims, hacking at hunks of their meat with a cleaver. The name brings to mind flesh and metal and thwacks against a divine cutting board.

Then there’s the great story. Gorr, born in an unnamed world far away, was eternally devout — even in his own suffering, even after the death of his daughter. But then on his judgment day, he came face to face with the god he worshiped, Rapu (Jonny Brugh). High on haughtiness, Rapu told Gorr he didn’t care about him. With no faith to lose, Gorr killed Rapu with the magical Necrosword. Now, he tries to make everyone feel the same hopelessness he does. He does this by butchering those gods, one by one.

But — spoiler alert — even though Gorr the God Butcher is the best thing about Thor: Love and Thunder, it’s likely to be the last fans ever see of him.

Maybe we’ll get lucky and he’ll be around for a grand flashback, but he dies at the end of the movie, and history shows that’s usually the end of the road for Marvel villains. Like Michael B. Jordan’s Killmonger from Black Panther and Cate Blanchett’s Hela from Thor: Ragnarock, Bale’s Gorr probably won’t be back for another round.

Read more here: https://www.vox.com/2022/7/8/23197353 ... ian-bale

caltrek's comment: Personally, I think that it is a sad commentary on our culture that anti-heroes maybe becoming more popular than heroes.

Anti-heroes have been popular since the 80s, look at Batman's and Wolverine's popularity.
The sad commentary isn't the popularity of anti-heroes, it's the rising popularity of out and out villains.

[Nanotechandmorefuture]

Marvel’s Villains are Eclipsing its Heroes
by Alex Abad-Santos
July 8, 2022

Introduction:

(Vox) Without a shadow of a doubt, the best thing about Thor: Love and Thunder is its villain: Gorr the God Butcher (Christian Bale).
It’s a great name. A butcher isn’t just a killer, he doesn’t just end a life and move on. He repurposes and reconfigures his victims, hacking at hunks of their meat with a cleaver. The name brings to mind flesh and metal and thwacks against a divine cutting board.

Then there’s the great story. Gorr, born in an unnamed world far away, was eternally devout — even in his own suffering, even after the death of his daughter. But then on his judgment day, he came face to face with the god he worshiped, Rapu (Jonny Brugh). High on haughtiness, Rapu told Gorr he didn’t care about him. With no faith to lose, Gorr killed Rapu with the magical Necrosword. Now, he tries to make everyone feel the same hopelessness he does. He does this by butchering those gods, one by one.

But — spoiler alert — even though Gorr the God Butcher is the best thing about Thor: Love and Thunder, it’s likely to be the last fans ever see of him.

Maybe we’ll get lucky and he’ll be around for a grand flashback, but he dies at the end of the movie, and history shows that’s usually the end of the road for Marvel villains. Like Michael B. Jordan’s Killmonger from Black Panther and Cate Blanchett’s Hela from Thor: Ragnarock, Bale’s Gorr probably won’t be back for another round.

Read more here: https://www.vox.com/2022/7/8/23197353 ... ian-bale

caltrek's comment: Personally, I think that it is a sad commentary on our culture that anti-heroes maybe becoming more popular than heroes.

Marvel’s Villains are Eclipsing its Heroes
by Alex Abad-Santos
July 8, 2022

Introduction:

(Vox) Without a shadow of a doubt, the best thing about Thor: Love and Thunder is its villain: Gorr the God Butcher (Christian Bale).
It’s a great name. A butcher isn’t just a killer, he doesn’t just end a life and move on. He repurposes and reconfigures his victims, hacking at hunks of their meat with a cleaver. The name brings to mind flesh and metal and thwacks against a divine cutting board.

Then there’s the great story. Gorr, born in an unnamed world far away, was eternally devout — even in his own suffering, even after the death of his daughter. But then on his judgment day, he came face to face with the god he worshiped, Rapu (Jonny Brugh). High on haughtiness, Rapu told Gorr he didn’t care about him. With no faith to lose, Gorr killed Rapu with the magical Necrosword. Now, he tries to make everyone feel the same hopelessness he does. He does this by butchering those gods, one by one.

But — spoiler alert — even though Gorr the God Butcher is the best thing about Thor: Love and Thunder, it’s likely to be the last fans ever see of him.

Maybe we’ll get lucky and he’ll be around for a grand flashback, but he dies at the end of the movie, and history shows that’s usually the end of the road for Marvel villains. Like Michael B. Jordan’s Killmonger from Black Panther and Cate Blanchett’s Hela from Thor: Ragnarock, Bale’s Gorr probably won’t be back for another round.

Read more here: https://www.vox.com/2022/7/8/23197353 ... ian-bale

caltrek's comment: Personally, I think that it is a sad commentary on our culture that anti-heroes maybe becoming more popular than heroes.

Anti-heroes have been popular since the 80s, look at Batman's and Wolverine's popularity.
The sad commentary isn't the popularity of anti-heroes, it's the rising popularity of out and out villains.

Yep. Look at Venom!

[Vakanai]

Marvel’s Villains are Eclipsing its Heroes
by Alex Abad-Santos
July 8, 2022

Introduction:

(Vox) Without a shadow of a doubt, the best thing about Thor: Love and Thunder is its villain: Gorr the God Butcher (Christian Bale).
It’s a great name. A butcher isn’t just a killer, he doesn’t just end a life and move on. He repurposes and reconfigures his victims, hacking at hunks of their meat with a cleaver. The name brings to mind flesh and metal and thwacks against a divine cutting board.

Then there’s the great story. Gorr, born in an unnamed world far away, was eternally devout — even in his own suffering, even after the death of his daughter. But then on his judgment day, he came face to face with the god he worshiped, Rapu (Jonny Brugh). High on haughtiness, Rapu told Gorr he didn’t care about him. With no faith to lose, Gorr killed Rapu with the magical Necrosword. Now, he tries to make everyone feel the same hopelessness he does. He does this by butchering those gods, one by one.

But — spoiler alert — even though Gorr the God Butcher is the best thing about Thor: Love and Thunder, it’s likely to be the last fans ever see of him.

Maybe we’ll get lucky and he’ll be around for a grand flashback, but he dies at the end of the movie, and history shows that’s usually the end of the road for Marvel villains. Like Michael B. Jordan’s Killmonger from Black Panther and Cate Blanchett’s Hela from Thor: Ragnarock, Bale’s Gorr probably won’t be back for another round.

Read more here: https://www.vox.com/2022/7/8/23197353 ... ian-bale

caltrek's comment: Personally, I think that it is a sad commentary on our culture that anti-heroes maybe becoming more popular than heroes.

Marvel’s Villains are Eclipsing its Heroes
by Alex Abad-Santos
July 8, 2022

Introduction:


Read more here: https://www.vox.com/2022/7/8/23197353 ... ian-bale

caltrek's comment: Personally, I think that it is a sad commentary on our culture that anti-heroes maybe becoming more popular than heroes.

Anti-heroes have been popular since the 80s, look at Batman's and Wolverine's popularity.
The sad commentary isn't the popularity of anti-heroes, it's the rising popularity of out and out villains.

Yep. Look at Venom!

And Joker. Harley Quinn. Black Adam's coming up.