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Days Before Runoff, Argentina’s Presidential Election Is Neck and Neck
by Ella Feldman
November 16, 2023

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BUENOS AIRES (Courthouse News) — As Argentina readies to elect its next leader in the decisive final round of voting Sunday, polls show the race for the presidential Casa Rosada is neck and neck.

With skyrocketing inflation and a looming recession weighing heavily on their shoulders, voters will choose between two remaining candidates: Economy Minister Sergio Massa, the ruling center-left party’s candidate, and Javier Milei, a libertarian outsider who wants to dollarize Argentina’s economy.

The primary consensus from public opinion polls is that the election will be competitive, though in recent days Milei has pulled slightly ahead of Massa.

“The biggest question mark is the portion of the electorate that will cast a blank ballot — in other words, people who don’t like either candidate,” said Ezequiel González Ocantos, a political science professor at the University of Oxford. “How big is that portion of the electorate? I think that will, in many ways, hold the keys to the result.”

Milei, an economist who made a name for himself by bringing his eccentric demeanor and radical proposals to Argentine television programs, emerged as the race’s frontrunner in a shocking August primary upset. But after over two months of campaigning, it was Massa who took home the most votes in the first round of voting last month. That marked the first time since primaries were established over a decade ago that the party that won the primary did not hold onto its lead in the general election’s first round.
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more of an ancap
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weatheriscool wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:06 am
He is more associated as the new Argentinian Trump.

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Time_Traveller wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:35 pm
weatheriscool wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:06 am
He is more associated as the new Argentinian Trump.

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Bullrich was more similar to Bolsonaro/Trump.
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erowind wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:45 pm ... Unlike Norway where state owned enterprises (SOE) makeup over 90% of employment.
At the risk of derailing this thread, SOE employment accounts for an estimated 9.6% of employment in Norway, not "over 90%." This is still a very high level.

Source: https://www.oecd.org/industry/ind/Item ... n_Kane.pdf (see chart on page six of the linked document).


Edit: I fixed the link in response to Erowind's comment below.
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erowind wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:15 pm
caltrek wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:59 pm At the risk of derailing this thread, SOE employment accounts for an estimated 9.6% of employment in Norway, not "over 90%." This is still a very high level.

Source: https://www.oecd.org/industry/ind/Item ... orin_Kane. (see chart on page six of the linked document).
The source I posted is also from the OECD. This is very confusing, I thought that Norway's numbers were actually lower myself and was surprised to see a 90%+ figure. My guess is that these are actually two different metrics we're both seeing that are being calculated differently. In Norway's case the OECD may be considering even ostensibly private firms to be SOE's or "SOE's" for the purposes of this calculation due to the Norwegian government holding stock in so many domestic firms through their sovereign wealth fund. This is just speculation, I don't know actually know why we're both seeing wildly different numbers from the same source.

In any case, this is the chart I was referencing in my link, apologies for it being so blurry it is not loading properly in the PDF.

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Also the link you posted is broken for some reason, this is what I see when I click it.

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erowind wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:26 pm
Looks like it, I see what Caltrek was talking about now. ALSO OMG I My brain wasn't seeing the "." in the percentages on the chart I posted. The figure is actually 9% I just can't read apparently. I blame insomnia and the stupid PDF being blurry. The dot in my chart is actually really faint :x
Comedy of errors. You with your misplaced "." and me with my initially broken link. :D

Hopefully all fixed so that it makes sense now.
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The article below is written from a perspective that is sympathetic to Milie’s libertarian philosophy. My inclination is to support a more liberal or democratic socialist approach. Still, the left needs to come up with an answer to the severe inflation and high rates of taxation that Argentina has been experiencing. I doubt that arguing that inflation and high taxation (of the middle class) is good will cut it. Even just being perceived as pushing such an argument will need to be addressed.

Milei’s Long-Term Victory Depends On Him Winning In Battle Of Ideas
by Ryan McMaken
November 21, 2023

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(Eurasia Review) On Sunday, Javier Milei was elected president of Argentina by a comfortable margin, with 56 percent of the vote. He will be sworn in as president on December 10.

Over the past year, however, Milei has made a name for himself as an extremely vocal critic of socialism, central banks, and many types of government intervention in general. He has become memorable for fiery commentary condemning the Left’s ideology and tactics while expressing an interest in immediate (i.e., not gradualist) change. He has said he seeks to abolish Argentina’s central bank and introduce the US dollar as the country’s dominant currency.

His fiscal policy is far more in the free-market direction than any other head of state in a country as large as Argentina (with 46 million residents). Milei has expressed admiration for the work of Murray Rothbard, F.A. Hayek, and a variety of economists who are more centrist than Rothbard and Hayek, but which we might reasonably describe as more-or-less free market. Moreover, Milei self-identifies as a supporter of the Austrian School of economics.

If Milei remains committed to reining in (or abolishing) the central bank, lowering taxes, and cutting government spending, Milei has the opportunity to push through real economic reforms that could provide relief to the beleaguered Argentinian middle class. These people have suffered greatly under decades of easy-money-induced price inflation, and an ever-growing burden of taxation and regulation.

Many libertarian supporters of Milei (both inside and outside the country) have responded to Milei’s candidacy with celebratory enthusiasm. Some have declared him the next Ron Paul, and many others seem to assume that his election will translate into actual implementation of his stated policies. That could happen, but unfortunately, the hard part has only begun.
Read more here: https://www.eurasiareview.com/2111202 ... analysis/

Also of related interest: https://www.vox.com/world-politics/2023 ... ght-youth
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tax the rich, not the middle class bruh
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And another thing about Argentina's new fascist president.
Argentina's new president has vowed to 'get the Falklands back', saying it is 'non-negotiable' for Britain to hand them over and compares it to the UK returning Hong Kong to China
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The right-wing former 'tantric sex coach' who has been elected president of Argentina believes the Falkland Islands belong to his nation and has vowed 'to get them back'.

Javier Milei, who uses a medium to communicate with his dead dog for advice on political matters, pulled off a massive upset by beating Argentina's Economy Minister Sergio Massa in Sunday's polarised presidential runoff.

But during his presidential campaign, Milei insisted that Britain returning the Falkland Islands was 'non-negotiable', adding that the territory, known as the Malvinas in Argentina, is Argentine.

Milei, a right-wing economist known as 'el Loco' - or the Madman - who promised to shake-up Argentina with his win, said he would 'make every effort' to get the Falkland Islands back - but stopped short of saying he would go to war over them.
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weatheriscool wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:20 pm And another thing about Argentina's new fascist president.
Argentina's new president has vowed to 'get the Falklands back', saying it is 'non-negotiable' for Britain to hand them over and compares it to the UK returning Hong Kong to China
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... China.html
The right-wing former 'tantric sex coach' who has been elected president of Argentina believes the Falkland Islands belong to his nation and has vowed 'to get them back'.

Javier Milei, who uses a medium to communicate with his dead dog for advice on political matters, pulled off a massive upset by beating Argentina's Economy Minister Sergio Massa in Sunday's polarised presidential runoff.

But during his presidential campaign, Milei insisted that Britain returning the Falkland Islands was 'non-negotiable', adding that the territory, known as the Malvinas in Argentina, is Argentine.

Milei, a right-wing economist known as 'el Loco' - or the Madman - who promised to shake-up Argentina with his win, said he would 'make every effort' to get the Falkland Islands back - but stopped short of saying he would go to war over them.
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Like the Tories or Labour are going to do that.
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weatheriscool wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:20 pm And another thing about Argentina's new fascist president.
Argentina's new president has vowed to 'get the Falklands back', saying it is 'non-negotiable' for Britain to hand them over and compares it to the UK returning Hong Kong to China
Daily Fail (UK)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... China.html
The right-wing former 'tantric sex coach' who has been elected president of Argentina believes the Falkland Islands belong to his nation and has vowed 'to get them back'.

Javier Milei, who uses a medium to communicate with his dead dog for advice on political matters, pulled off a massive upset by beating Argentina's Economy Minister Sergio Massa in Sunday's polarised presidential runoff.

But during his presidential campaign, Milei insisted that Britain returning the Falkland Islands was 'non-negotiable', adding that the territory, known as the Malvinas in Argentina, is Argentine.

Milei, a right-wing economist known as 'el Loco' - or the Madman - who promised to shake-up Argentina with his win, said he would 'make every effort' to get the Falkland Islands back - but stopped short of saying he would go to war over them.
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Are There Any Paranoids in the Stadium Tonight? Two Nights in Santiago With Roger Waters
by Vijay Prishas
November 29, 2023

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(Counterpunch) No one does a stadium show like Roger Waters. The music, of course, is resplendent, but so too are the soundscape, the images, the giant sheep and pig, the lasers, the films, the energy of the fans who—despite the language differences—sing along… “Did you exchange a walk-on part in the war for a lead role in a cage?” It is a riot of emotions. The quiet calm of Santiago is broken by familiar sounds and necessary feelings: yes, we are here; yes, we exist; yes, we must resist.

Santiago is a city blistered by social inequality. For two nights, Roger Waters played at the Estadio Monumental in Macul, a commune of Santiago that is more middle-class than the rest of the city although still not immune from the sharp divides that produced the massive social unrest of 2019. Then Roger sang a version of Víctor Jara’s El derecho de vivir en paz, with new lyrics for the new moment:

I can hear the Cacerolazo
I can smell you, Piñera
All fucking rats smell the same.

The Cacerolazo is the banging of pots, a social protest that resounded from Buenos Aires (2001) to Santiago (2011 and then again from 2019 to 2022). There is a good reason to walk on the streets and bang pots every day given the permanent condition of austerity reproduced by people like Chile’s former president Sebastían Piñera, one more of the “fucking rats” that make life hell. There is the austerity, the demise of social welfare and decent work, and the rise of poverty and social despair. Then there are the sharpened contradictions, the anger that sometimes gives rise to hope in madmen (Argentina’s incoming president Javier Milei is one of them) and at other moments, it gives rise to disorganized and organized forms of dissent.
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