Ukraine War Watch Thread

[weatheriscool]

Ukraine Strikes Back: U.S. secretly sent Ukraine long-range ATACMS missiles

Ukraine for the first time has begun using long-range ballistic missiles provided secretly by the United States, bombing a Russian military airfield in Crimea last week and Russian forces in another occupied area overnight, American officials said Wednesday.

Long sought by Ukrainian leaders, the new missiles give Ukraine nearly double the striking distance — up to 300 kilometers (190 miles) — that it had with the mid-range version of the weapon that it received from the U.S. last October.

"We’ve already sent some, we will send more now that we have additional authority and money,” White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan said. The additional ATACMS were included in a new military aid package signed by President Joe Biden on Wednesday.

Biden approved delivery of the long-range Army Tactical Missile System, known as ATACMS, in February, and then in March the U.S. included a “significant” number of them in a $300 million aid package announced, officials said.

U.S. officials would not provide the exact number of missiles given last month or in the latest aid package, which totals about $1 billion.

[link:https://www.rawstory.com/u-s-secretly-s ... -missiles/|

[weatheriscool]

US announces new Patriot missiles for Ukraine as part of new $6 billion aid package


Updated 1:17 PM EDT, April 26, 2024

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. will provide Ukraine additional Patriot missiles for its air defense systems as part of a massive $6 billion additional aid package, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin announced Friday.

The missiles will be used to replenish previously supplied Patriot air defense systems and are part of a package that also includes more munitions for the National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems, or NASAMS, and additional gear to integrate Western air defense launchers, missiles and radars into Ukraine’s existing weaponry, much of which still dates back to the Soviet era.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy discussed the need for Patriots early Friday at the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, a coalition of about 50 countries gathering virtually in a Pentagon-led meeting. The meeting fell on the second anniversary of the group, which Austin said has “moved heaven and earth” since April 2022 to source millions of rounds of ammunition, rocket systems, armored vehicles and even jets to help Ukraine rebuff Russia’s invasion.

Zelenskyy said at least seven Patriot systems are needed to protect Ukrainian cities. “We urgently need Patriot systems and missiles for them,” Zelenskyy said. “This is what can and should save lives right now.”

Read more: https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-fund ... 2422e2908b

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[firestar464]

‘March or April’: How Zelenskyy gave Johnson a deadline for military aid

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-AA1nJ6h2

[wjfox]

Russia using chemical choking agents in Ukraine, US says

2 hours ago

The US has accused Russia of deploying chemical weapons as a "method of warfare" in Ukraine, in violation of international laws banning their use.

State department officials said Russia used the choking agent chloropicrin to win "battlefield gains" over Ukraine.

The allegations, which US officials said were not an "isolated" incident, would contravene the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC), which Russia signed.

The Kremlin rejected the accusations, calling them "baseless".

Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters in Moscow that Russia stood by its obligations under the CWC, which prohibits states from developing or acquiring new weapons. Some 193 states have ratified the convention.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68941220



Reuters

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[firestar464]

Just send them there as border guards and air defense already. Don't even have to engage in combat

[wjfox]

Ukraine wiped out 100 Russian troops at once in a strike showcasing the range and power of its new US ATACMS

May 3, 2024, 12:27 PM BST

A Ukrainian ATACMS long-range missile strike killed more than 100 Russian soldiers in an occupied region 50 miles from the front line, according to OSINT and military analysts.

Ukrainian forces targeted a Russian military training area some 50 miles behind the front line in the occupied Luhansk Oblast in eastern Ukraine, per an assessment by The Institute for the Study of War.

According to two aerial geolocated videos posted on Wednesday by X user Osinttechnical, an account affiliated with the Centre for Naval Analyses, Ukraine appeared to strike the training area with three US-supplied M39 ATACMS tactical ballistic missiles.

Osinttechnical said at least one of the missiles struck a gathering of more than 100 Russian soldiers, with hundreds of M74 APAM bomblets falling on them.

Open-source geolocation project GeoConfirmed said four ATACMS were used in the attack, with the location being the village of Rohove in eastern Ukraine. One of its volunteers shared footage on X, saying that the four strikes happened within the space of a minute.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine ... ant-2024-5

[weatheriscool]

[ibm9000]

About the currently active new front:

Kharkiv regional head Oleh Syniehubov said Russian reconnaissance groups had tried to penetrate the border, adding that "not a single metre has been lost".
What is the point of "not a single meter lost"? A Hitler's directive?

[ibm9000]

"Soviet-era arms storage bases are one of the primary sources that still allow the Russian armed forces to fight despite massive losses on the battlefield."

As long as we don't forget the Ukrainian vast stores...

[firestar464]

"the inability of people to hold more than one truth in their heads has caused the enshittification of society"

- honest government ad (a youtube channel, not an actual govt ad)

About the currently active new front:

Kharkiv regional head Oleh Syniehubov said Russian reconnaissance groups had tried to penetrate the border, adding that "not a single metre has been lost".
What is the point of "not a single meter lost"? A Hitler's directive?

It's a claim that the border is secure. How is Adolf relevant here?

[raklian]

About the currently active new front:

What is the point of "not a single meter lost"? A Hitler's directive?

That was in bad taste, man. What's the point mentioning Hitler in this context?

[ibm9000]

Bad taste? Some facts in History are of bad taste? Is it better to pretend they don't exist then?
I'll try something older: "He who tries to hold to everything will end holding nothing".

The points are:
First, the claim is a falsehood, propaganda, a bunch of lies, official statements... We could see maps with 5 villages taken/captured. Today, Russia is claiming 4 more. Same story, propaganda, lies... until actual information provided.
Second, that "Regional head" seems to have no idea what he is talking about. He was told to say that? He was "creative on his own? A rigid defence does not work and is expensive, sometimes leading to disaster.
And Hitler, the best of the Allies generals, was fond of that.

("More than one truth" like in "doublethink"?)

[firestar464]

I'll try something older: "He who tries to hold to everything will end holding nothing".

Are you suggesting that it is unnatural for a party to a conflict to attempt to hold territory they control? If so, then that would be absurd.

The ISW, based on a preponderance of evidence, has documented the seizure of 4 border villages. I don't deny that. Of course, officials on both sides of the conflict are going to make exaggerated claims, with Ukraine understating the extent of Russian advances and Russia and Russian milibloggers doing the opposite.

I tried to research Adolf and rigid defenses and read about the Defense of the Reich campaign. However, that was an aerial defense campaign, and can't translate to assumptions about ground warfare. From what I understand, the effectiveness of rigid defenses varies based on the situation. Regardless, it would have been nice if you had clarified what you were referring to when you mentioned Adolf. That could have saved us needless speculation regarding the message you were trying to convey.

("More than one truth" like in "doublethink"?)

I was referring to the fact that both sides can struggle with equipment issues in response to your framing of Russian and Ukrainian equipment shortages as mutually exclusive.

[Time_Traveller]

Ukraine in 'difficult situation' as Russian troops claim four more villages

Sunday 12 May 2024 18:07, UK



Russia claims its troops have seized control of four more Ukrainian villages as intense fighting continues in the Kharkiv region.

Ukraine's military chief said on Sunday its forces are doing all they can to hold the line in Kharkiv - with Moscow claiming another five villages on Saturday - but they are facing a "difficult situation".

Russia's surprise assault on the Kharkiv region began on Friday, threatening to open up a new front and stretch Ukraine's already-outgunned and outmanned forces.

"Units of the defence forces are fighting fierce defensive battles, the attempts of the Russian invaders to break through our defences have been stopped," Oleksandr Syrskyi said.

"The situation is difficult, but the defence forces of Ukraine are doing everything to hold defensive lines and positions, (and) inflict damage on the enemy."

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-in-d ... s-13134481

[ibm9000]

I'll try something older: "He who tries to hold to everything will end holding nothing".

Are you suggesting that it is unnatural for a party to a conflict to attempt to hold territory they control? If so, then that would be absurd.
The ISW, based on a preponderance of evidence, has documented the seizure of 4 border villages. I don't deny that. Of course, officials on both sides of the conflict are going to make exaggerated claims, with Ukraine understating the extent of Russian advances and Russia and Russian milibloggers doing the opposite.
I tried to research Adolf and rigid defenses and read about the Defense of the Reich campaign. However, that was an aerial defense campaign, and can't translate to assumptions about ground warfare. From what I understand, the effectiveness of rigid defenses varies based on the situation. Regardless, it would have been nice if you had clarified what you were referring to when you mentioned Adolf. That could have saved us needless speculation regarding the message you were trying to convey.

("More than one truth" like in "doublethink"?)

I was referring to the fact that both sides can struggle with equipment issues in response to your framing of Russian and Ukrainian equipment shortages as mutually exclusive.

The first quote is not mine, so I don't suggest.
I affirm that the "hold to everything" is a bad decision that usually leads to even worse results.
ISW is one source, a biased one. This is another one:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mi ... 212814&z=7
The more sources, the foggier, until after the war. If Reuters is reporting what Ukraine claims, that is not a source, it's Ukrainian propaganda.

Obviously, we read different books. For me, the first one was the winter 41-42, it was terrible, but we don't know if it would had been better or worse. It was better in the Mius river.

"It would have been nice if you had clarified what you were referring to when you mentioned xyz. That could have saved us needless speculation regarding the message you were trying to convey."
About "More than one truth"? Yes.


There is a lot of reporting about damages to the Russian refinery capacity, it is at 85%. Ukrainian capacity is at 0%, Ukraine's economy has not collapsed. Some context, comparing what is going on on the other side of the hill is useful.

[firestar464]

Now you have shown me a user-generated map made by some anonymous "truther," which is even less reliable than the ISW. I'm frankly unsure if you've actually read the ISW report in question- it stated that their mapping of the seizure of villages was based on admissions by Ukrainian sources. Any other claims by milibloggers are noted, but not taken at face value.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... ay-10-2024

"It would have been nice if you had clarified what you were referring to when you mentioned xyz. That could have saved us needless speculation regarding the message you were trying to convey."
About "More than one truth"? Yes.

I was referring to your talk of Adolf with that line. You seem to erroneously connect the first line and "more than one truth." Also, why are you talking about refineries? We were talking about weapons stockpiles.

[ibm9000]

Now you have shown me a user-generated map made by some anonymous "truther," which is even less reliable than the ISW. I'm frankly unsure if you've actually read the ISW report in question- it stated that their mapping of the seizure of villages was based on admissions by Ukrainian sources. Any other claims by milibloggers are noted, but not taken at face value.
https://www.understandingwar.org/backgr ... ay-10-2024

"It would have been nice if you had clarified what you were referring to when you mentioned xyz. That could have saved us needless speculation regarding the message you were trying to convey."
About "More than one truth"? Yes.

I was referring to your talk of Adolf with that line. You seem to erroneously connect the first line and "more than one truth." Also, why are you talking about refineries? We were talking about weapons stockpiles.

Yes, it was perfectly clear what you were referring to.

Yes, ISW is as reliable as Ukrainian admissions.

Yes, we are talking about figures for one side (and conclusions) but not for the other side (of the hill).

[ibm9000]

No Weapons...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... on-kharkiv

No money...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... y-ebrd-war

Not recruiting...

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine ... n-ukraine/

And corruption.

Ukraine has hit an airbase in Crimea, not in Voronezh.