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Scientists Argue Terraforming Mars Should Start Sooner Than Later
A new study argues that Mars could act as a testing ground for habitat restoration, with lessons learned helping to fight climate change on Earth.
By Jon Martindale June 2, 2025
https://www.extremetech.com/aerospace/s ... than-later
A new study suggests plans to terraform Mars should be accelerated, building what it calls a "base camp" for further expansion into the solar system and the wider galaxy. Although opponents argue that Mars' unique history and environment should be preserved for future study, this report suggests that Mars' once-habitable atmosphere means any terraforming efforts are merely restoring its natural habitat, making it one we can live in and enjoy in the process.

Terraforming Mars has been something scientists and science-fiction aficionados have considered for decades. From The Expanse, to Red Mars, the idea of changing the red planet's atmosphere to one that's both breathable and temperate enough for humans to comfortably live in, is a long-term goal imagined to take centuries or millennia. To date, the technology to even start the process hasn't really existed. Now, though, the authors of a new study claim it does, and we should be getting started on the effort as soon as possible.

"Thirty years ago, terraforming Mars wasn't just hard—it was impossible," said Erika DeBenedictis, CEO of Pioneer Labs and lead author of the study (via Space.com). "But new technology like [SpaceX's] Starship and synthetic biology have now made it a real possibility."
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Elon Musk Unveils Terminus, First Mars City by 2030
Elon Musk’s vision for Mars colonization introduces Terminus, the first Martian city inspired by Asimov’s Foundation series. As SpaceX’s centerpiece, Terminus aims to house a million, ensuring humanity’s survival. With innovative domed habitats, robotics, and ambitious timelines, it faces skepticism but promises a multi-planetary future by 2030
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Elon Musk’s vision for colonizing Mars has taken a bold new shape with his proposal for Terminus, the first Martian city, inspired by Isaac Asimov’s Foundation series where Terminus symbolizes hope and knowledge on a remote planet. As the centerpiece of SpaceX’s ambitious Mars program, Terminus aims to establish humanity as a multi-planetary species, a goal Musk has championed to ensure our survival against Earth-bound catastrophes.

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Elon should either do this or give his entire net worth to the fucking treasury. Put your mouth where your mouth is.

I'd start a asteroid mining company and center this around the gold rush of the 19th century and spains wealth transfer into the new world.
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spain mining resulted in mass inflation
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Yeah, as if he won't carefully curate the people he invites to found the city. Besides, who the f*ck would go there?
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I'd be in fucking shock if he pulls off a mass man mission to mars in order to build a city on mars. Hell, I'd be in utter shock if he landed a single human on mars in the next 5 years.

As of this moment his star ship is taking a shit and hasn't made any advances in the past year. :( If it was me I'd use the starship concept to get things into orbit like parts of a much larger nuclear or fusion powered planetary class ship to go to mars. Star ship is a complete joke for anything besides getting that into space.

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weatheriscool wrote: Mon Jun 02, 2025 5:16 pm Scientists Argue Terraforming Mars Should Start Sooner Than Later
A new study argues that Mars could act as a testing ground for habitat restoration, with lessons learned helping to fight climate change on Earth.
By Jon Martindale June 2, 2025
https://www.extremetech.com/aerospace/s ... than-later
A new study suggests plans to terraform Mars should be accelerated, building what it calls a "base camp" for further expansion into the solar system and the wider galaxy. Although opponents argue that Mars' unique history and environment should be preserved for future study, this report suggests that Mars' once-habitable atmosphere means any terraforming efforts are merely restoring its natural habitat, making it one we can live in and enjoy in the process.

Terraforming Mars has been something scientists and science-fiction aficionados have considered for decades. From The Expanse, to Red Mars, the idea of changing the red planet's atmosphere to one that's both breathable and temperate enough for humans to comfortably live in, is a long-term goal imagined to take centuries or millennia. To date, the technology to even start the process hasn't really existed. Now, though, the authors of a new study claim it does, and we should be getting started on the effort as soon as possible.

"Thirty years ago, terraforming Mars wasn't just hard—it was impossible," said Erika DeBenedictis, CEO of Pioneer Labs and lead author of the study (via Space.com). "But new technology like [SpaceX's] Starship and synthetic biology have now made it a real possibility."
Taking a realistic look at terraforming Mars

https://phys.org/news/2025-06-realistic ... -mars.html

To terraform Earth to learn to terraform Mars or to do the inverse, that is the question
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Lilymoon wrote: Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:34 am First Mars City by 2030

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I really fucking doubt it but here's hoping.
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NASA's Perseverance rover scours Martian rock for details
https://phys.org/news/2025-06-nasa-pers ... rtian.html
by DC Agle, Karen Fox, Molly Wasser, NASA
On June 3, NASA's Perseverance Mars rover ground down a portion of a rock surface, blew away the resulting debris, and then went to work studying its pristine interior with a suite of instruments designed to determine its mineralogic makeup and geologic origin. "Kenmore," as nicknamed by the rover science team, is the 30th Martian rock that Perseverance has subjected to such in-depth scrutiny, beginning with drilling a two-inch-wide (5-centimeter-wide) abrasion patch.

"Kenmore was a weird, uncooperative rock," said Perseverance's deputy project scientist, Ken Farley from Caltech in Pasadena, California. "Visually, it looked fine—the sort of rock we could get a good abrasion on and perhaps, if the science was right, perform a sample collection. But during abrasion, it vibrated all over the place and small chunks broke off. Fortunately, we managed to get just far enough below the surface to move forward with an analysis."
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Lockheed Martin offers to rescue Mars mission from budget death
By David Szondy
July 06, 2025
https://newatlas.com/space/lockheed-mar ... s-mission/
NASA"s beleaguered Mars Sample Return mission may get a reprieve from an unexpected source. Lockheed Martin has proposed a streamlined, lower-cost alternative that could slash the mission’s price tag by more than half.

Facing significant funding cuts across multiple programs, NASA’s ambitious international effort to retrieve Martian samples and return them to Earth is under threat. Already jeopardized by Russia’s withdrawal from the program following its invasion of Ukraine, the mission now faces potential cancellation due to shifting priorities within the current US administration.

Under new agency guidelines, NASA has been ordered to focus more on deep-space crewed missions to the Moon and Mars, along with other endeavors involving cutting-edge technology, while axing projects that have been marked by massive spending without a proportionate scientific return.
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Was Mars Doomed to be a Desert? Study Proposes New Explanation
July 2, 2025

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(Eurekalert) One of the great unsolved problems in modern planetary science is written on the surface of Mars.

Mars has canyons that were carved by rivers, so it was once warm enough for liquid water. How—and why—did it become it a barren desert today?

A study led by University of Chicago planetary scientist Edwin Kite puts forth a new explanation for why Mars never seems to stay balmy for long. Published July 2 in Nature, their model suggests that the periods of liquid water we see in the past were initiated by the sun brightening, and that conditions on Mars mean it trends towards desert over time—in contrast to Earth, which has stayed habitable over time.

The study builds on findings from NASA’s Mars Science Laboratory Curiosity mission that were announced in April: the rover finally found rocks rich in carbonate minerals, which could explain where Mars’ atmosphere went.

“For years, we’ve had this huge unanswered question for why Earth has managed to keep its habitability while Mars lost it,” said Kite, an associate professor of geophysical sciences who is a participating scientist for the Curiosity mission. “Our models suggest that periods of habitability on Mars have been the exception, rather than the rule, and that Mars generally self-regulates as a desert planet.”
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Mars Sample Return Rocket Test Goes Off Without a Hitch
The new test proved the capability of a new propellant that will enhance the rocket's performance, making a sample return mission from Mars increasingly viable.
By Jon Martindale July 14, 2025

Northrop Grumman has hailed the successful test of a rocket designed to bring back samples from Mars' surface. This latest static fire test confirmed the viability of a new propellant, as well as further showcasing the capabilities of the sample return rocket. This motor is part of the Mars Ascent Propulsion System (MAPS), which is a collaborative effort between NASA and the European Space Agency.

A Mars sample return is considered one of several important steps towards getting human boots on Mars. To that end, NASA handed out a contract in 2021 to Northrop Grumman to develop a rocket that could launch from a rover design and send samples into orbit around Mars for rendezvous, capture, and eventually return to Earth. This rocket is what will get that sample off the surface and into a captureable orbit.
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Dangerous Radiation Awaits Astronauts On Mars – New Mission Could Work Out Just How Much
By Alfredo Carpineti
July 9, 2025

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(IFL Science) Elton John was right: Mars ain’t the kind of place to raise your kids. And not just because it’s cold as hell. The combination of a thin atmosphere and lack of magnetic field means that the planet experiences higher levels of radiation – both energetic particles and energetic light – compared to Earth. But just how the Martian atmosphere behaves and responds is not fully understood, and that's something we need to know if we ever plan on stepping foot on the surface of Mars. That’s why a team is proposing the M-MATISSE mission to find out.

The mission consists of twin spacecraft designed to study the Martian atmosphere from two locations at the same time. M-MATISSE will track the solar wind – the stream of electrically charged particles from the Sun – and its interaction with Mars. Just recently, the first detection of visible aurorae on Mars was reported. This mission would go even further, working out just how solar radiation affects it, in its totality.

“The mission’s aim is to understand the Martian atmosphere in its entirety. This means from the surface up to space,” mission leader Dr Beatriz Sánchez-Cano, of the University of Leicester, told IFLScience.

This could also shed light on the planet's habitability. Understanding the Red Planet's space weather is a key step. This could go towards potentially being able to forecast hazardous situations for both humans and robots exploring the surface of Mars.

"This is important because understanding the behaviour of the Martian system and the chain of processes that control space weather and space climate at Mars is essential for exploration,” Dr Sánchez-Cano said in a statement sent to IFLScience.
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We need to develop some form of shields or a stable dome that can be constructed by 3-d printers to shield the outpost(think so sci-fi).

I think with fusion or maybe a nuclear fission plant we could do this.
What Are "Star Trek"-Like Shields?In "Star Trek," shields are generated by advanced energy fields (often electromagnetic or gravitic) powered by a starship’s warp core. They:Deflect or absorb incoming threats (phasers, torpedoes, micrometeoroids, radiation).
Operate dynamically, adjusting to specific frequencies or intensities.
Require immense energy but are lightweight, avoiding the mass penalty of physical shielding.

For a Mars mission or outpost, the primary threat is solar radiation (solar wind, solar particle events, and galactic cosmic rays), so the focus would be on radiation-deflecting energy shields.Scientific Basis and Current FeasibilityThe closest real-world analog to "Star Trek" shields is active radiation shielding, which uses electromagnetic or plasma fields to deflect charged particles. Here’s an analysis:Electrostatic or Magnetic Shields:Principle: Solar radiation and cosmic rays consist mostly of charged particles (protons, electrons, heavy ions). Strong electric or magnetic fields can deflect these particles, creating a protective bubble around a spacecraft or habitat.
Current Research:Magnetic Shields: Concepts like the Mini-Magnetosphere (inspired by Earth’s magnetosphere) have been studied by NASA, ESA, and researchers like Dr. Ruth Bamford at the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory. A superconducting magnetic coil could generate a field to deflect charged particles. Experiments (e.g., 2010s plasma physics studies) show small-scale success in deflecting particles in lab settings.
Electrostatic Shields: High-voltage electrostatic fields could repel positively charged particles. Proposals, like those from the University of Washington (2013), suggest lightweight electrodes creating fields of ~1 MV to protect spacecraft.

Feasibility for Mars:Spacecraft: A magnetic shield generating a 1–2 Tesla field could reduce radiation exposure significantly. For a Mars mission, a toroidal magnetic field around a spacecraft (e.g., 10–20 meters in diameter) could deflect solar wind and SPEs. However, the energy requirements (hundreds of kilowatts to megawatts) and the mass of superconducting coils (even with high-temperature superconductors) are currently prohibitive for a lightweight spacecraft.

Outpost: On Mars, a localized magnetic field around a habitat could supplement passive shielding (e.g., regolith). However, maintaining a continuous field over a large area requires a stable, high-power source (e.g., nuclear reactor), which is challenging with current technology.

Plasma Shields:Principle: A plasma bubble, held in place by magnetic fields, could scatter or absorb charged particles. This mimics the fictional "Star Trek" shield’s ability to adapt to threats.
Current Research: NASA’s Advanced Concepts Institute (NIAC) has funded studies on plasma shields, such as the Plasma Magnet Shield (2016). A low-mass plasma cloud, generated by a small magnetic coil, could expand to form a large protective barrier, reducing the energy needed compared to a pure magnetic shield.
Feasibility for Mars: Plasma shields are theoretically promising due to their low mass, but they’re still in early research stages. Generating and sustaining a stable plasma field in space or on Mars requires advanced control systems and power sources not yet available. Additionally, plasma interactions with Mars’ thin atmosphere could complicate deployment.

Comparison to "Star Trek" Shields:Similarities: Both fictional and real concepts aim to create an energy-based barrier to deflect threats, minimizing physical mass. Magnetic and plasma shields align with the dynamic, adaptable nature of "Star Trek" shields.
Differences:Energy Requirements: "Star Trek" shields rely on fictional warp cores producing near-infinite energy. Real-world shields need compact, high-output power sources (e.g., nuclear fusion or advanced fission), which are decades away.
Versatility: Fictional shields block everything (energy weapons, physical objects, radiation). Real shields are optimized for charged particles and struggle with neutral particles (e.g., neutrons) or high-energy cosmic rays.
Scalability: "Star Trek" shields envelop massive starships instantly. Real shields are limited by field strength and size, with current prototypes only protecting small areas.

Challenges to Achieving "Star Trek"-Like ShieldsEnergy Generation: Current spacecraft rely on solar panels (50–100 kW for large missions) or radioisotope thermoelectric generators (RTGs, ~100 W). A magnetic or plasma shield requires megawatts of power, necessitating breakthroughs in compact fusion reactors or advanced solar.
Material Limitations: Superconducting magnets require cryogenic cooling, adding complexity and mass. High-temperature superconductors (e.g., YBCO) are improving but not yet lightweight or robust enough for space.
Secondary Radiation: Deflecting high-energy particles can produce secondary radiation (e.g., bremsstrahlung X-rays), requiring hybrid shielding (active + passive).
Mars Surface Constraints: Mars’ weak magnetic field and thin atmosphere offer little natural protection, so shields must be self-contained. Powering a large-scale shield on Mars would likely require a nuclear reactor, which poses logistical and safety challenges.
Cost and Development: Active shielding is still in the experimental phase. Deploying it for a Mars mission by, say, 2035 (a plausible timeline for crewed missions) would require significant investment and testing.

Current Alternatives for MarsWhile "Star Trek"-like shields are not yet feasible, practical alternatives exist:Passive Shielding: Polyethylene, water, or Martian regolith (1–2 meters thick) can reduce radiation to safe levels (~50 mSv/year) for both spacecraft and outposts.
Storm Shelters: Small, heavily shielded compartments protect against solar particle events during transit.
Subsurface Habitats: On Mars, lava tubes or buried habitats offer natural shielding, minimizing the need for energy-intensive active systems.

Future ProspectsNear-Term (2030s): Magnetic and electrostatic shields could become viable for small-scale applications (e.g., protecting critical spacecraft modules or habitat sections). NASA’s NIAC and ESA’s General Studies Programme are actively funding such research.
Long-Term (2050s+): Advances in fusion power, high-temperature superconductors, and plasma physics could enable larger, more efficient shields, approaching "Star Trek" functionality for radiation protection. However, deflecting physical objects or energy weapons (as in "Star Trek") remains speculative, requiring physics beyond current understanding (e.g., gravitic manipulation).
Speculative Technologies: Concepts like manipulating spacetime or using exotic matter (as hinted in "Star Trek") are theoretically intriguing but lack experimental grounding. For now, they remain science fiction.

Conclusion"Star Trek"-like shields, as energy-based barriers to protect against solar radiation, are theoretically possible through magnetic or plasma-based active shielding. Small-scale prototypes show promise, but scaling to protect a Mars-bound spacecraft or outpost requires breakthroughs in power generation, materials, and field control. For now, passive shielding (polyethylene, water, regolith) and subsurface habitats are more practical for Mars missions. With continued research, active shields could become viable by the 2040s, offering a step toward the sci-fi dream but not yet matching its full versatility. If you’d like, I can search X or the web for recent advancements in active shielding research to provide more specific updates.
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Breakthrough cryocooler makes crewed Mars missions possible
By David Szondy
July 21, 2025
NASA has tested a kind of super-fridge that may hold the key to any future crewed mission to Mars. Without the new cryogenic cooler, a ship to Mars would reach the Red Planet with empty fuel tanks, which would ruin everyone's day.

The idea of seriously designing an expedition to put astronauts on Mars has been kicking around for well over 70 years and is taken very seriously in certain quarters today. However, the devil, as they say, is in the details.
https://newatlas.com/space/cryo-cooler- ... -missions/
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