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Maximus wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:32 pmI mean at this point, allowing such a contribution is like giving importance and a voice to a Nazi in 1939. He supports this invasion and war. He believes Ukrainians deserve to die over some historical butthurt. On the old forum he put it in no uncertain terms (and I trust you all remember this clearly) how much he was looking forward to Russia nuking Eastern European countries. He's an ultranationalist, and that's the perspective you're getting. It's not exactly hard to predict what he's gonna say. Would hearing a Nazi in 1939 tell you how much he hates Jews really be that educational? Well, it's not up to me, but that's what I make of it.
I think the trope of calling anyone disagreeable a Nazi is a bit worn out, don’t you? Yeah, sure enough, he supports the war. But until about ten years ago, plenty of Westerners supported the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. Should they also have been banned from Internet forums of the time? I also recall plenty of bloodthirstiness over on the old forum coming from many a respectable liberal when it came to other people and events, like the Capitol Riot or lockdown sceptics.

No, it’s not hard to predict what he’ll say, but then neither is it hard to predict what most long-time members of this forum will say about any given topic (I’m sure myself included). Surely it doesn’t have to be all that educational to avoid being banned - especially if it’s so predictable and familiar. You might disagree vehemently with everything he says, but ask yourself, what harm is he really doing by posting his views on a forum? And I don’t mean that generally, as in what harm can anyone do - I mean Phoenix specifically, and this forum specifically.
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Certain Russian user wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 7:20 am
joe00uk wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:24 pm Personally, I also don't think an invasion like this is a good idea.
Here I tend to agree, with emphasis on LIKE THIS part. Ukraine becoming the new European Somalia. Prospect of gaining such a country as war trophy and 20-30 million of such people as "fellow citizens" terrifies me. President PhoenixRu would probably do it very differently. But I'm not president to make such decisions.
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Doesn't look to me like Certain Russian is supporting this invasion, at least not in this exchange. Yes, this is sandwiched in between a lot of complaints about what he considers to be propaganda, etc. He also doesn't rule out all invasions, but then we would need a fleshed hypothetical to further understand what he means.

Now, perhaps all the vitriol he has received has caused him to reconsider this position. Since we can't seem to take a qualified "yes" for an answer.
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caltrek wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:19 am
Certain Russian user wrote: Wed Mar 02, 2022 7:20 am
joe00uk wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 6:24 pm Personally, I also don't think an invasion like this is a good idea.
Here I tend to agree, with emphasis on LIKE THIS part. Ukraine becoming the new European Somalia. Prospect of gaining such a country as war trophy and 20-30 million of such people as "fellow citizens" terrifies me. President PhoenixRu would probably do it very differently. But I'm not president to make such decisions.
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Doesn't look to me like Certain Russian is supporting this invasion, at least not in this exchange. Yes, this is sandwiched in between a lot of complaints about what he considers to be propaganda, etc. He also doesn't rule out all invasions, but then we would need a fleshed hypothetical to further undersatnd what he means.

Now, perhaps all the vitriol he has received has caused him to reconsider this position. Since we can't seem to take a qualified "yes" for an answer.
Certain Russian user wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:08 pm
R8Z wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:44 pm I don't get it. Are you actually pro-war? Your picture certainly makes me believe it so.
I was writing a wall of text to explain my stance, but it was lost after a nasty glitch. In short, the roots of this war go deep into 2013, this wasn't Russia who started this, this is Russia who is going to finish this. And I'm a common Russian man supporting Russian army fighting for a right cause. The sooner we will win, the sooner there will be peace in Ukraine.

Is this "pro-war" or "pro-peace", you decide.
I have to disagree, it's quite clear he is all for it from this exchange. Even in the exchange you quoted, the emphasis on "LIKE THIS" doesn't exactly sound like disapproval of the invasion, more like disapproval of the way it was conducted. Knowing him, the invasion has been too soft or some such. Not enough nukes. But enough of me putting words in his mouth, let him state his views on the invasion clearly if he wants.
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Well, they certainly look quite Fascist to me based on how they are handling domestic dissent. Probably belongs in Russian watch, but related to discussion about the war:

Moscow police demand people's phones and read their messages
https://www.joe.co.uk/news/moscow-polic ... ges-321337

This and the thousands of arrests, censorship, hyper-nationalism, goal of reinstated former Russian glory after past shame, and really near totalitarian control over societal opinion seems to hit all the tickers. Russia IS an actual fascist state by literally every parameter we've previously judged such to be. We just tossed the word around so damn much previously that it lost contextual merit. Same with idiots screaming communism in the states.

I will also say that censuring an actual letter of the English language will be next to impossible, as opposed to some inverted Swastika which was already foreign to a lot of westerners. I suppose you could control the context in which it's used, but I doubt I'll ever see a movie titled "World War Z" ever again, no matter how silly censoring that may seem to some. Not sure about censoring/banning Ruskie, but I kind of wish there was an opposing Russian on the forum now. Not all Germans supported their regime either, after all.
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Looks like Putin wants to get some help from his buddy Assad:



Putin is trying to let non-ethnic Russians become the meatshields for an urban siege as it is becoming obvious that the Russians are going to figure out what is going on if there is a blood bath of ethnic Russians in an urban combat situation. Which it appears there will be.

I don't know why any of these Syrians would head over the Ukraine, they are going to get massacred. It isn't even like they have a reason for jihad against Ukraine...
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Translation:

"Attack the police with your bare hands. The genie is out of the bottle in Russia. Putin's machine of repression won't last long."


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Netflix, American Express and TikTok cut services in Russia

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And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future
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And remember my friend, future events such as these will affect you in the future
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I'm tempted to ban PhoenixRu, as he seems to be fascist, but at the same time I'm curious to get his perspective and experiences within Russia.

I mean, we're talking about a major global historical event here.

So he stays... for now.
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Seriously. Anyone and everyone arguing for a No Fly Zone needs to unfuck themselves

"Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do."

I feel like a lot of people arguing for a No Fly Zone in Ukraine are the same lot who were screeching like banshees that Hillary Clinton was going to start WW3 by imposing a No Fly Zone in Syria. Like, I get it, the Russo-Ukrainian War is an awful thing and way too many innocent civilians and poor young men called to fight rich old men's war are suffering.
But for f*ck's sake.


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wjfox wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:44 am I'm tempted to ban PhoenixRu, as he seems to be fascist, but at the same time I'm curious to get his perspective and experiences within Russia.

I mean, we're talking about a major global historical event here.

So he stays... for now.
I get Orthodox Communist from him. It has to be stressed that "Communist" is not synonymous with "social progressive" everywhere. In fact, it's largely exclusively in the West that communist ideology coincides with progressive ideology.
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Yuli Ban wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:00 am Seriously. Anyone and everyone arguing for a No Fly Zone needs to unfuck themselves
Yeah, I just watched that docfilm about nuclear war Wjfox mentioned, Threads, and my God. It's insanity to suggest NATO go into Ukraine, thank God Biden and other Western leaders have kept a cool head so far.
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wjfox wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:44 am I'm tempted to ban PhoenixRu, as he seems to be fascist, but at the same time I'm curious to get his perspective and experiences within Russia.

I mean, we're talking about a major global historical event here.

So he stays... for now.
There's a few other fascists in the forum which claim that revolting minorities should be supressed at gun point as well. I hope you don't ban him but if you ever do, please make sure to coherently ban all fascists ;)
And, as always, bye bye.
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wjfox wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:44 am I'm tempted to ban PhoenixRu, as he seems to be fascist
Before you did, bare facts:

1) Today at 10 AM Russia, by request of Emmanuel Macron, declared another (third) ceasefire and established humanitarian corridors for civilians of Kyiv, Mariupol, Kharkiv, and Sumy.

2) Two hours later Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Irina Vereshchuk rejected this "unacceptable option":
blocked/27727

3) And this Ukrainian top official threatens to shoot private cars that will try to escape from besieged cities on their own. These are not empty words, the escaping people are really being killed:
blocked/4530

Go ahead, translate. Check was I right or wrong.

Now you can ban. But this will only prove you are afraid of what I may say, nothing else.
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Certain Russian user wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:32 am
wjfox wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:44 am I'm tempted to ban PhoenixRu, as he seems to be fascist
Before you did, bare facts:

1) Today at 10 AM Russia, by request of Emmanuel Macron, declared another (third) ceasefire and established humanitarian corridors for civilians of Kyiv, Mariupol, Kharkiv, and Sumy.

2) Two hours later Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Irina Vereshchuk rejected this "unacceptable option":
blocked/27727
Yes, evacuation corridors to Russia and Belarus only. Like I say, negotiating in bad faith.
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Maximus wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:53 am Yes, evacuation corridors to Russia and Belarus only.
Wrong. Not only to Russia. But even so, do you approve the idea to shot civilians running to Russia on their own?
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Yuli Ban wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:02 am
wjfox wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:44 am I'm tempted to ban PhoenixRu, as he seems to be fascist, but at the same time I'm curious to get his perspective and experiences within Russia.

I mean, we're talking about a major global historical event here.

So he stays... for now.
I get Orthodox Communist from him. It has to be stressed that "Communist" is not synonymous with "social progressive" everywhere. In fact, it's largely exclusively in the West that communist ideology coincides with progressive ideology.
Communists all follow the same ideology.

There are revisionists which claim or think they are Marxists who go against Marxism I used to be one.
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Ukraine says army has re-taken Chuhuiv with two Russian commanders killed

Updated 09:22, 7 Mar 2022

Ukrainian forces have recaptured a key city and inflicted heavy losses on the Russian army, according to defence officials.

Lieutenant General Serhiy Shaptala said the defending forces had seized Chuhuiv from Russian control and killed large numbers of Putin's men.

Two high-ranking Russian commanders were killed in the battle.

The General Staff said on Facebook: "In the course of hostilities, the city of Chuhuiv was liberated. The occupiers suffered heavy losses in personnel and equipment. Lieutenant Colonel Dmitry Safronov, Commander of the 61st Separate Marine Brigade of the Russian Armed Forces, and Lieutenant Colonel Denis Glebov, Deputy Commander of the 11th Separate Airborne Assault Brigade of the Russian Armed Forces, were killed."

Chuhuiv, a town of about 30,000 people in the north east of Ukraine, was one of the first to be overrun by the Russians.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... e-26401950
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